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Offline vappicewins

EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« on: December 12, 2020, 04:57:40 PM »
Hello.

I hope someone can please take time to help me with this. I decided to give edrums another go after seeing I could buy EZdrummer 2 or other such software to run through the drum module. I bought the Surge kit and EZdrummer 2, hooked the USB cable to my PC, and all is OK after I set up the kit in EZdrummer settings as a stand alone (thanks to YouTube videos). When I hit the pads I hear the selected sample kit over my PC speakers as they should (love the Kicks & Snares Groove Delay kit!). Now the strange part, when using my headphones connected to the Alesis Surge module, I don't hear the EZdrummer kits, only the native Alesis kits.

I've spent many hours trying to figure this out, but no luck so far. I simply want to play these amazing samples/drums/cymbals instead of the stock samples on the Alesis Surge module. I thought I could play along to songs on my phone using the EZdrummer 2 kits instead of the stock Alesis Surge kits. Was I wrong? I don't want the kit or EZdrummer for anything at the moment except for playing with my favorite tunes.

I'm pretty clueless about midi and DAW's, total noob, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.   

BTW, I did try and try out Reaper, but it keeps giving this error after I set it up: "The following MIDI inputs could not be opened: Alesis surge." I was going to buy it, but not if I can't get it to play nice with my PC.

Offline Hellfire

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2020, 06:02:39 PM »
Hello.

I hope someone can please take time to help me with this. I decided to give edrums another go after seeing I could buy EZdrummer 2 or other such software to run through the drum module. I bought the Surge kit and EZdrummer 2, hooked the USB cable to my PC, and all is OK after I set up the kit in EZdrummer settings as a stand alone (thanks to YouTube videos). When I hit the pads I hear the selected sample kit over my PC speakers as they should (love the Kicks & Snares Groove Delay kit!). Now the strange part, when using my headphones connected to the Alesis Surge module, I don't hear the EZdrummer kits, only the native Alesis kits.

I've spent many hours trying to figure this out, but no luck so far. I simply want to play these amazing samples/drums/cymbals instead of the stock samples on the Alesis Surge module. I thought I could play along to songs on my phone using the EZdrummer 2 kits instead of the stock Alesis Surge kits. Was I wrong? I don't want the kit or EZdrummer for anything at the moment except for playing with my favorite tunes.

I'm pretty clueless about midi and DAW's, total noob, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.   

BTW, I did try and try out Reaper, but it keeps giving this error after I set it up: "The following MIDI inputs could not be opened: Alesis surge." I was going to buy it, but not if I can't get it to play nice with my PC.

Welcome to the forum vappicewins,

Believe it or not, your module & VST set-up are working just fine. The USB in the Alesis Surge module is MIDI only. It is not an audio device (like a sound card). Most drum modules are set-up this way. I hope that helps.

Again, welcome to the forum.
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Offline vappicewins

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2020, 08:20:02 PM »
Hello and thank you for the prompt reply and greeting.

Glad to see I have some of the things right. Just to clarify please, the phone in jack on the Surge module will only ever output the built in samples? If I want to play along to songs with the EZdrummer samples, I'd need to plug into my PC headphone jack? I did notice before I posted the question I could did hear the VST (is that EZdrummer?) kits through my headphones when striking the pads.

Thank you again, and you and many others here helped me greatly a few years back converting my DM10 kit to mesh heads and other great things. Glad to see you and the other fine folks here are still offering priceless knowledge so willingly.

Offline Chaser

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2020, 09:39:11 PM »
Hello and thank you for the prompt reply and greeting.

Glad to see I have some of the things right. Just to clarify please, the phone in jack on the Surge module will only ever output the built in samples? If I want to play along to songs with the EZdrummer samples, I'd need to plug into my PC headphone jack? I did notice before I posted the question I could did hear the VST (is that EZdrummer?) kits through my headphones when striking the pads.

Thank you again, and you and many others here helped me greatly a few years back converting my DM10 kit to mesh heads and other great things. Glad to see you and the other fine folks here are still offering priceless knowledge so willingly.

as Hellfire posted..No audio passes through USB..only MIDI.

The aux input on the module accepts audio...VST is the plugin version of EZD2 to run inside of a DAW.
If you want to use EZD2 as a standalone and also use the phone,you can connect the phone to the sound card input (Mic or Line..depends on soundcard..and if the phone has an audio/headphone out (a lot of new phones don't have the 1/8" trrs anymore) on the PC and connect headphones to the headphone port and see if your PC allows sharing/outputing audio simulataneously (usually WASAPI..shared mode) check by opening (right click) the volume mixer bottom right task bar you should see your applications web browser etc
I just checked and was able to run Youtube (firefox)..VLC player/song and Cantabile running SSD5.5 drums VST plugin with STRIKE module and they will work simultaneously but you may experience latency or crackling,stuttering (depends on your PC and sound card how many programs etc are running)

ASIO (ASIO4ALL) software works well for lowering crackling, latency but it's hit and miss (some computers it improves audio..some not so much) and uses apps/programs exclusively and only allows one at a time so you can't use a music player(for your song) and EZD2 standalone simultaneously.
Since you will be trying to start a song on a phone and EZD2 simultaneously it maybe difficult to sync unless you have a little lead time before the song starts play on your phone and you get into position to play.

You can also setup a DAW with EZD2 as a VST and your song as an audio track then run an output from the soundcard on the PC to the aux in on the module,then you can use headphones on the module...or just use the headphones on the PC...once again.. PC soundcards aren't very good for this.
EZD2 doesn't use nearly as much resources as SD3 which can use up to 16GB for a kit

It's always best to use an audio interface as it consolidates everything and takes the stress off the PC so it's resources can be better used (DAW) and you have options for adding inputs (phones,instruments etc.)

Here is a Topic with some suggestions for both.

Offline vappicewins

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2020, 11:03:07 AM »
Amazing, thank you very much!!

Lots of valuable learning there and I'll take my time and try to absorb it. So as I understand it, a Behringer audio interface as you linked to in the other helpful answer would keep down crackling, latency, etc? Well, time to spend some more money, but well worth it in my opinion. I build my own PC's, but makes much more sense to have a separate audio interface.

Thank you again so much for your time and wisdom!!

Offline vappicewins

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2020, 11:29:53 AM »
Just ordered the Behringer U-Phoria UMC204HD, look forward to jamming along with ED2 and learning more about VST and DAW. Thank you again!

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2020, 05:38:20 PM »
That interface will do you nicely. I get by well playing and recording with my USB 2.0 Presonus.
That said, if I built PCs like you, I'd probably have a PCI interface by now haha.

EZD is great. I'm addicted to EZXs. I'm not sure how I managed to not buy another during the current sale.
Did you buy it just now during the sale?
A2E 5-piece | Bum Wrap Drum Co maple burl wrap | Jobeky & UFO triggers | Drum-Tec real feel heads | Strike module | VH-11 + Strike cymbals | EZD2 + EZXs

Offline vappicewins

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2020, 07:57:37 PM »
Hello tmk21315, yep, I love building PC's and playing with software, but recording/DAW software is a new adventure. I was thinking of adding a dedicated sound card to my Ryzen 1700X rig, but Chaser said having an external audio interface would make it easier on my PC while running DAW and EZD2. Being a perfectionist, I took the path of least resistance as I hate latency issues, as well as static, etc.

And I did buy EZ2 on sale with the Kicks and Snares expansion as a freebie during Sweetwater's.  Lots of amazing drums, snares and cymbals to choose from. I'm finding those expansion packs are like other drum porn, pretty addictive! Also got my Behringer from Sweetwater too, those guys are simply the best. Looking forward to playing along to Maestro Simon Kirke and many others on both my Alesis edrums and Pearl acoustic kit. Can you believe Bad Company is still not in the so called rock and roll hall of fame?! Sacrilege!!!!

Offline Chaser

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2020, 08:18:18 PM »
Hello tmk21315, yep, I love building PC's and playing with software, but recording/DAW software is a new adventure. I was thinking of adding a dedicated sound card to my Ryzen 1700X rig, but Chaser said having an external audio interface would make it easier on my PC while running DAW and EZD2. Being a perfectionist, I took the path of least resistance as I hate latency issues, as well as static, etc.

PCI AUDIO Interfaces work very well and also take the stress off and free up resources ..but you'll also need a breakout board etc etc to connect instruments...Most do not need this unless you do serious production work and you'll understand why once you see the prices just for the cards.

Offline vappicewins

Re: EZdrummer 2 and Alesis Surge help please?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2020, 08:31:35 PM »
Yep, those prices got a good laugh out of me!! My RGB tempered glass widowed PC comes in at only $1600.00. But what a thrill after spending that money then hitting the power button and nothing happens!! Got to figure it out because pride will NOT let us take them to a PC repair shop. Usually I've just forgotten to turn on the power supply. But the old adrenaline gets to pumping if that isn't the problem.