Author Topic: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?  (Read 606 times)

Offline mpanzer

Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« on: April 08, 2018, 03:39:04 PM »
I just replaced the single ply mesh head on my modified 12Ē drum pad with a 3 ply head. The pad was modified to make the shell taller. Since the single ply heads had a lot of stretch in them, I could still mount them with the existing rods. Not so with the 3 ply head. So Iím now looking for longer rods and seem to be having trouble getting some with the larger diameter that alesis uses. The first set of rods I ordered were standard 12/24 rods. The thread pitch is the same but theyíre just small enough that they will slip when you start to get a reasonable amount of tension on the head. I then read on these forums that alesis uses M6 rods. So, I ordered a set of Rods advertised as M6. I received them and theyíre exactly the same size as the 12/24 rods! I went to the hardware store and found that the original rods are, in fact, M6. I even bought some M6 x 55mm Allen head bolts for temporary use and they fit perfectly.

Has anyone found M6 (close to 55mm long) tension rods that are ACTUALLY M6?
Iím hoping not to waste anymore time and money hunting for these.

Thanks,
Matt

Offline Dobly

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2018, 09:31:09 PM »
Oh i know this issue well... I made my shells taller and had exactly that issue..

I have changed all my drum lugs to Allen Bolts..

Allen bolts are cheap, good looking and the keys are easy to get...

Here is one of my taller drums with it's allen bolts.



They look pretty sharp I reckon.

Another thing I like about the allen bolts is that the key for them locks in such that you can turn it with one finger way better than you can with a drum key.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2018, 09:32:40 PM by Dobly »

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2018, 10:09:05 PM »
Hi Dolby,

Thanks for your reply.
Actually, I think youíre the one I got the idea from in another thread (about threads).  ;)
I just cannot understand how companies can advertise their products with the wrong specs. I see your point about the up sides of the Allen bolts but Iím not crazy about having to have a different wrench to worry about. If I can be certain that a set of rods are truely M6, Iíd rather have them, but Iím tired of ordering rods that donít fit (Iíve been through 3 sets so far). If I cannot find any, Iíll have to track down some stainless steel Allen bolts. The only ones I could find are black and Iím guessing will eventually rust.

Nice mod on you pad! I love the finish! My mod consists of making 1/2Ē thick riser pieces and inserting them between the stock shell and the base:
http://www.alesisdrummer.com/index.php?topic=5865.msg41028#msg41028

BTW: I see you have a Remo Silentstroke Head. Have you tried any other mesh heads? My entire kit has the Silentstrokes, but I just replaced my snare pad with  Prism SS 3 ply and it made a word of difference in the feel and in the triggering. If you havenít tried 2 or 3 ply heads, itís worth trying.

Thanks agian!
Matt

Offline Dobly

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2018, 10:52:43 PM »
Yep. The thread is M6.. Regular drums threads are not.

It was the chap at drummer base that gave me the idea after he told me he could not get 60mm (or whatever it was) regular drum rods.
http://www.drummersbase.com.au/drummers-base-i4/

(I link his site every time I mention it... Thanking him for the allen bolt idea)

Thanks.. I love the look of my pads now..

I first bought the 682 mesh head for my kit. They were single ply and an utter nightmare.. On my DM10x pads it's like the drum hoops on the 12" drums are too big. The 682 heads slipped inside the hoops when I tightened it up.

The Silentstroke heads work way better. I've not tried anything buy single ply on mine. They work fine but are a tad bouncy for my liking. You may have noticed in my other threads my pads are not like anybody elses. I have modded them withing an inch of their life and loving them way more now than when I got them.

The allan key would not be 'another' to worry about. It is the 'only' one to worry about. Leave the drum key at home. :)  I have 3 allen keys in my drum stick bag now.

edit: Of course i can't leave the drum key at home... It does up my rack. ;)
« Last Edit: April 09, 2018, 07:07:52 PM by Dobly »

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2018, 07:18:05 PM »
Through my searches, it seems M6 Rods are mentioned a lot with marching drums. I still do not know if they are truely M6 though. The dealer I bought my rods from actually sent me the wrong part and is sending me the original part number I order. HOWEVER, judging from the part numbers, I strongly doubted that theyíll be any different. The part number I ordered is T-054/6 and they shipped me part T-056/6. The dealer assures me that the part I ordered is for marching drums and is M6. Iíll let you know when they get here in a couple days...

In any case, the Allen bolts are a good alternative and Iíll go with them if these donít fit.

Regarding the heads: I also liked the Silentstrokes, the bounciness made it hard to get good triggering for ghost notes and rolls on the snare. This is especially true if you like a tight snare head. I have only tried one 3 ply and itís from Prism in the USA. If youíre here in the US, I highly recommend trying one on the snare pad. They are well worth the cost, IMO, and seem ultra durable. I donít know if Iíll ever need to replace it.
Hereís the head I bought:
https://www.prism-products.us/rr-series/prism-white-mesh-drum-head-8-10-12-sizes-wzxcx

Best,
Matt

Offline Dobly

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2018, 07:32:36 PM »

Regarding the heads: I also liked the Silentstrokes, the bounciness made it hard to get good triggering for ghost notes and rolls on the snare. This is especially true if you like a tight snare head. I have only tried one 3 ply and itís from Prism in the USA. If youíre here in the US, I highly recommend trying one on the snare pad. They are well worth the cost, IMO, and seem ultra durable. I donít know if Iíll ever need to replace it.
Hereís the head I bought:
https://www.prism-products.us/rr-series/prism-white-mesh-drum-head-8-10-12-sizes-wzxcx

Best,
Matt

I don't have that issue with ghost notes and rolls on my pads. But my mod is not for a feint heart'd.

I'm on the East Coast of Australia. Thanks for the link anyway. I'd like to try a 2 or 3 ply head on my snare and maybe all my pads. I made a head once out of 'Pet proof' fly screen mesh. It was very thick heavy stuff.. It did not work well on my pads.

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2018, 09:38:58 PM »
LOL!
I came across the thread on your mod. Definately not for the faint at heart!  Very impressive though!

I briefly thought about making my own mesh heads and quickly realized Iíd rather spend my limited amount of spare time playing rather than making things. I still do tinker quite a bit...

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 06:40:44 PM »
UPDATE:
I just received the rods today (Pearl part number T-054/6) and they fit perfectly! So it was just the wrong item sent. For anyone looking for M6 rods, the best place to look is places that sell marching drum parts.

Offline Dobly

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 07:22:23 PM »
UPDATE:
I just received the rods today (Pearl part number T-054/6) and they fit perfectly! So it was just the wrong item sent. For anyone looking for M6 rods, the best place to look is places that sell marching drum parts.

Good stuff. Glad it worked out for you. (and you have better search skills than me) ;)

Too late now, but another advantage of the allen bolts is you can get the long enough so you don't see any thread. (see my image above). That became a 'think' for me when I was doing my mod.

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2018, 07:56:17 PM »
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another advantage of the allen bolts is you can get the long enough so you don't see any thread. (see my image above).

Right. I noticed that in your photo. My mod only affects my three 12Ē pads (elevating the stock shells by 1/2Ē) and their not very showy (see attached). However, itís an easy mod and works very well.   :)

Note the white ďrisersĒ between the base and the shell.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2018, 07:58:29 PM by mpanzer »

Offline Dobly

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2018, 08:06:09 PM »
Right. I noticed that in your photo. My mod only affects my three 12Ē pads (elevating the stock shells by 1/2Ē) and their not very showy (see attached). However, itís an easy mod and works very well.   :)
Note the white ďrisersĒ between the base and the shell.

You just watch.. Starts as white 'risers', then comes the embroidery hoops, the rubber piping, brickwork, wood turning... Then you'll spot a wrap you really want (like I did) and want to show it off, so you use mud brick and craft some 'earthin risers' and have toms that look like power toms of the 1970s. :)



 ;)

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 08:18:29 PM »
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You just watch.. Starts as white 'risers', then comes the embroidery hoops, the rubber piping, brickwork, wood turning... Then you'll spot a wrap you really want (like I did) and want to show it off, so you use mud brick and craft some 'earthin risers' and have toms that look like power toms of the 1970s. :)

LOL!
Youíre right! Iíve done a Lot of tweaks to get to my current design. Thereís always something to improve. You caught my interest with brickwork. Sounds like a heavy mod!   ;)
I was thinking of wraps, but thereís not much shell to show. Maybe Iíll come across a 12Ē drum I can cut down to 1/2Ē taller than my stock shells and get rid of the risers. It would certainly show better and the internals can stay the same. Some day when Iím bored...  :)

Offline mpanzer

Re: Where to get tension rods for DM10X modified drum pads?
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2018, 08:35:32 PM »
Hi Dobly,

You were right.  It didn't take me long to get curious and experiment.
Just for kicks, I thought I'd try to make some DIY budget drum wraps. I picked up a 2" roll of that black and yellow striped reflective safety tape at the hardware store and made drum wraps for my entire kit. It cost me about $8.  I stuck the tape on some old 24" x 36" drafting mylar I have laying around and cut it into 1" strips for the shells. The mylar gives it rigidity and it allows me to secure it onto the shells with a little double-sided tape. This makes it easy to switch out to something else later. There's a lot of reflective (and other) vinyl tape out there with nice colors and designs. Of course, I chose the cheapest for my experiment.  This makes me now want to find a slightly deeper shell for my 2" pads so it will show more of the wrap.

Here's what it looks like:

« Last Edit: May 12, 2018, 08:41:22 PM by mpanzer »