Hi Chaser, I've had to concede defeat. I took the snare to a repair cafe to check out the wiring and solder, all good. I've tried following the Edit settings in every manual you sent me. I've tried forums, I've tried FB groups and I've even tried resetting to factory defaults, but I simply cannot make the snare rim sound different to the snare pad. I found YT videos for the HXM HD-008 with the rim being played (as you said above).
Someone on FB said "the 3 snare zones will probably have 3 different velocity settings. So the snare and rim go to the same midi channel". However, I don't really understand what they're saying and/or don't know if I can change velocity settings.
Thanks for all your help, but I can't think of anything else I can try.
Cheers
I am not familiar with this (Huaxin) module and do not have one.
Trigger settings are based on Individual Playing Style..how you play..what you play..and everyone plays differently.
You never hit the exact same place twice or with the exact same force.
The snare has (3) zones and as posted above sends MIDI note per zone Head=38..Rim1=37 Rim2=40.The "velocity" settings definitions are different by manufactures/manuals..for example Thomann describes Touch Velocity..but referring to Velocity Curves.Sensitivity is how much velocity to trigger the sample..Dynamics is how much velocity to get the sample to max volume.
This module is older..and according to the manuals you can only set the Velocity for the pad/trigger as a whole...not per zone
The module only has one MIDI Channel..10..which is the MIDI Standardchannel for drums and it is fixed , you can't change it.As posted above..the MIDI note sent triggers the sample.If you want to check MIDI notes and the information sent with it (velocity etc) download
MIDIOX (WIN)..or
MIDI Monitor (macOS).
The Thomann MPS500 manual states you can change MIDI note assignments..(pg 41/42)
The HD008 manual shows no such option..
If the trigger settings on a module are incorrect...sensitivity is too high/max or dynamics is too low..or both..the Voice/sample is triggering at full velocity/volume.The biggest beginner mistake is to crank sensitivity to max/127 on every pad/trigger and dynamics turned down too low which makes for easier playing (less effort) and the Voice trigger more easily.
You don't want sensitivity at 127 for each zone on every pad/trigger..Since this is a 3 zone pad/trigger you definitely don't want the head sensitivity at 127 or dynamics down low..if anything you want the opposite otherwise or there may be some zone cross talk going on and the head is so sensitive the rims are triggering the Voice/sample.
You don't want the Dynamic Range setting low or you won't have any dynamics (softest hit/low volume to hardest hit/loud volume)..It's the combination of both settings,based on your playing style along with the volume setting on the voice.
The only video I could find anything remotely concerning the (3) zone snare was this one at
:56..he has no problems triggering the (3) zones...however you'll notice... very light hits.
That being said..majority if not all of the videos I watched for the Huaxin modules (including the new Millenium MPS1000) all of the snares machine gun and they ramp up fast to it.
Drum module that use "Amplitude"..which are the majority of them..especially older..be it Medeli or Huaxin etc typically machine gun.
The samples aren't multi or don't have velocity layers.The harder you hit..the volume of the sample goes up , but it's the same sample.The Huaxin modules I watched machine gunned pretty fast without effort or hard hitting so the settings are either wrong..high sensitivity..low dynamics..LOG curve..terrible samples or a combination of all.
Drum modules are usually cr*ppy right out of the box , so resetting just puts it back to the original basic/generic settings.
The HD008 manual shows the triggers and different zones can be selected in Kit Edit mode..
DRUM KIT EDIT: change sound characteristics such as voice,volume, pan etc.
ADVANCED PARAMETER EDIT: which is physical characteristics of pad..sensitivity, trigger curve.
however both manual state the rim,edge etc can't be selected so the settings must be for the pad/trigger as a whole.
"Note:
1. There is no alternative part such as rim, edge can be selected. The mark under the pad icon will never appear.
It is different from part selection procedure in DRUM KIT EDIT".Probably the 1st thing I would do is go into DRUM KIT EDIT..and check to see if the samples are being triggered..ie..turn the volume off on each Voice/zone and see if/how each zone triggers it's assigned sample..
Next..I would go into the snare parameters.. set the sensitivity to 60 (about 1/2) (pg 25)..dynamic range (pg 26) to full 127..and set the velocity curve (pg 26) to Linear and see if there is more separation between the zones.You can always turn the volume up on the Voice/sample.If the module allows you could also change the rim voice (pg 19) to something entirely different..like a cymbal so you can hear separation.This is an older module so you may be stuck with whatever section it allows.
While adjusting the sensitivity for the head..strike one of the rims and see if the number changes or resets..in case there is adjustment and the manual doesn't show it..wouldn't be the 1st time as manuals get lost in translation and I normally find a number of exploits in modules that are never mentioned.
There isn't much out there as far a Videos for settings.
The
Millenium Drums site has videos..but not for the MPS500...can't hurt to ask.