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Dual zone hihat for Dm10 (kinda)
Ukko:
Hi Trondster,
I noticed you were once the owner of a Roland VH-11 Hi Hat and returned to using the stock Hi Hat (controller pedal with single zone cymbal).
May i ask what problems the VH-11 had with the DM10, other than it only utilized one zone functionality?
Would this dual trigger method make a DM10 + Trigger I/0 + VH-11 setup with full functionality possible? i.e. VH-11 with edge and bow sounds from the DM10.
Sorry if this has already been asked but i read this when i got up this morning and have been day dreaming all day about the potential awesomeness of being able to use the VH-11 with DM10 to full effect.
cheers
Trondster:
Hmm - I guess I could try using the Roland HH as a dual zone trigger - I just didn't think of it - good idea! :)
The main problems with the VH-11 are that the signal from the piezo trigger is too "hot" (but that is easily fixed - I just added a resistor), and even more so that the bow triggers very easily when closing the hi-hat - even with very high threshold values.
Hmm - I might try to give it another go as a dual zone hi-hat - just test it. :)
Hellfire:
--- Quote from: Trondster on May 27, 2013, 02:36:51 PM ---Hmm - I guess I could try using the Roland HH as a dual zone trigger - I just didn't think of it - good idea! :)
The main problems with the VH-11 are that the signal from the piezo trigger is too "hot" (but that is easily fixed - I just added a resistor), and even more so that the bow triggers very easily when closing the hi-hat - even with very high threshold values.
Hmm - I might try to give it another go as a dual zone hi-hat - just test it. :)
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Keep in mind that the edge trigger on the Roland VH-11 is a switch, so you still will not be able to get velocity from the edge of the hi-hats. You can always try to mod the Vh-11 based on the velocity switch idea that I posted about some time ago. The down fall of that is, you have to mod a Vh-11 and that could hurt it's value. Just a thought.
Ukko:
Damn, i was hoping the VH-11 was dual piezo. :'(
I don't suppose the VH-12 or VH-13 are any different, other than size?
EDIT:
Just discovered this thread after a google search, i spose this puts the kibosh on it...
http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?33201-Alesis-Trigger-iO-experiences&p=256194#post256194
Triggering the hats themselves had all of the problems of the other Piezo/Switch cymbals in my tests. In short, the bow was OK. The edge was not.
Hellfire:
--- Quote from: Ukko on May 27, 2013, 07:07:28 PM ---Damn, i was hoping the VH-11 was dual piezo. :'(
I don't suppose the VH-12 or VH-13 are any different, other than size?
EDIT:
Just discovered this thread after a google search, i spose this puts the kibosh on it...
http://vdrums.com/forum/showthread.php?33201-Alesis-Trigger-iO-experiences&p=256194#post256194
HiHats
Surprisingly, what I went in thinking would be the hardest to set up was actually not very hard at all.
Using the VH-11 or the FD-7/CY-12h, there is a simple Calibration routine in the Alesis Trigger iO for the pedal controller. Once initiated, continuous control (variable control) of the hihat pedal was fine. I could hear the variable states of my DFHS hihats. And I could do foot chicks and splashes without any problem at all. Of course, the VH-11 on a true HiHat pedal performed a much better range of "inbetween" states compared to the FD-7. That is something I expected, as it is the same case when using them with the TD-10 TMI.
Mapping the bow zone required setting two MIDI Notes. When the HiHat pedal is open fully, the Trigger iO sends a new MIDI note with a bow strike. Setting both notes the same was all that was required to make it work well.
Triggering the hats themselves had all of the problems of the other Piezo/Switch cymbals in my tests. In short, the bow was OK. The edge was not.
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And that is why I came up with this:
Alesis DM10, DM8 Velocity Switch Zone Triggering
Unfortunately one of the draw backs of using Alesis edrum modules is the lack of support for velocity from a switch zone. As far as I know the solution above is the only way around it.
BTW, the only dual zone piezo/piezo cymbal triggers on the market are ride cymbals (bow & bell). There is no such production hi-hat trigger that is piezo/piezo. They only route to go is DIY. Either someone can make a piezo/piezo hi-hat trigger or make a piezo/switch trigger based on the topic listed above. That's assuming your looking for a hi-hat that mounts to a hi-hat stand.
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