Surge Mesh Expansion

[Surgebrit]

Hi all
I have a Surge Mesh Kit and the nitro expansion pack (tom and cymbal) , However I want to add another cymbal to my setup.
I watched this video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ixwmIYPc8   on how to do it with the Nitro Mesh, it seems he uses a single zone tom and splits from it.

How is it done with the Surge Mesh because all my pads are dual zone ?

Thanks

[Chaser]

Hi all
I have a Surge Mesh Kit and the nitro expansion pack (tom and cymbal) , However I want to add another cymbal to my setup.
I watched this video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ixwmIYPc8   on how to do it with the Nitro Mesh, it seems he uses a single zone tom and splits from it.

How is it done with the Surge Mesh because all my pads are dual zone ?

Thanks

The Nitro and Surge use the same module...

The Video just shows the standard procedure for splitting a Tom Input (Piezo/Piezo)..Head/Rim..TRS to (2) TS Y cable.
You are probably getting confused when he adds an extension cable for a Cymbal after he connects the splitter to the Tom.

                                            < Extension < Cymbal Output (Bow).
                                          /
Module < Harness  < Splitter
                                          \
                                            < Tom Output (Head)

You aren't splitting a Trigger..you are splitting a Dual Zone (TRS) Trigger Input .... Head (Tip) and Rim (Ring)
You can't split a Single Zone (TS) Input...there is only 1 Zone...Tip which is either ..Head (Tom)..Bow (Cymbal)

You can use a TRS to TRS or TS to TS Y cable for additional Duplicate Kit Pieces however they will be the exact same sound and MIDI Note assignment... just in different locations.

The Main difference for Splitter cables is the Module..
A Module using Individual 1/4 Inputs uses a male TRS to (2) TS..Female or male..depending on if you use extension cables or the standard male to male end Cable....a Module using a DB25 Harness uses Female to (2) Male.

SPLITTER CABLES

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[Surgebrit]

Thanks Chaser
I have a Male TRS to 2 x Female TS. I was putting the TRS part into the Tom and then cable from the module to the Fem TS, then a cable from the cymbal to the other Fem TS.
I presume that's the correct procedure.
Your post seems to suggest that I wont be able to make the cymbal sound like a cymbal, or have I completely misunderstood you ?

thanks

[Chaser]

Thanks Chaser
I have a Male TRS to 2 x Female TS. I was putting the TRS part into the Tom and then cable from the module to the Fem TS, then a cable from the cymbal to the other Fem TS.
I presume that's the correct procedure.
Your post seems to suggest that I wont be able to make the cymbal sound like a cymbal, or have I completely misunderstood you ?

thanks

Wrong Y cable...you have the one for a Module with Individual Inputs...you have a DB25 Harness.
You need a Female TRS  to (2) TS ..
TRS Female connects to Tom cable coming from the DB25 Harness..then 1 TS goes to Tom..the other TS to Cymbal

[Surgebrit]

Thanks
I also have a (exact packaging description coming)
1/4" TRS to dual 1/4 TS breakout cable, 1/4 Female Stereo to Dual 3.35mm TS Male Adapter,6.34mm to 2x 1/4" mono Y splitter cable
Is that the correct cable ?

thanks

[Chaser]

Thanks
I also have a (exact packaging description coming)
1/4" TRS to dual 1/4 TS breakout cable, 1/4 Female Stereo to Dual 3.35mm TS Male Adapter,6.34mm to 2x 1/4" mono Y splitter cable
Is that the correct cable ?

thanks

I don't know if it's a Typo...3.35mm is 1/8 inch

You need 6.34mm (1/4) Female to (2) 6.34mm (1/4) TS..either Male or Female.That depends on the type of cables you are going to use.I personally use ALL female (typically I fabricate boxes..some w Variable resistor) as 1/4 inch cables with male ends are cheap (guitar patch cables..stomp box patch cables etc) and can be found in multiple lengths , while female to male extension cables are more expensive and there aren't a large variety lengths.

SPLITTER BOXES..

[Surgebrit]

Hi Chaser,
Yes that was a typo haha (fingers like sausages)
Thanks to your excellent advice I have it hooked up properly and working

It's all tested and working,  but ,sadly my TS to the cymbal is a little short when the adapter is connected to the tom.
Quick question, Would a 1/4 female to 1/4 female coupling work  - Linking the male TS from the tom to a male TS going to the cymbal (To avoid trying to find a longer adapter)

And your female boxes are brilliant, well done to you Chaser :-)

[Chaser]

Hi Chaser,
Yes that was a typo haha (fingers like sausages)
Thanks to your excellent advice I have it hooked up properly and working

It's all tested and working,  but ,sadly my TS to the cymbal is a little short when the adapter is connected to the tom.
Quick question, Would a 1/4 female to 1/4 female coupling work  - Linking the male TS from the tom to a male TS going to the cymbal (To avoid trying to find a longer adapter)

And your female boxes are brilliant, well done to you Chaser :-)

If you are talking about using a 1/4 Female to 1/4 Female coupler to extend a male/male TS Cable (guitar cable etc).. that is connected to the Y cable ..that is connected to the Tom TRS cable coming from the DB25 Harness on the module then yes..just a lot of links in the chain (as you just read) to troubleshoot if you ever have a problem...

If you are talking about connecting a Y cable to the Tom Output (like you did previously..TRS into Tom) and plugging the cymbal into that ..No..you cannot (or shouldn't)..I would imagine someone over the years has tried to link or "Daisy Chain" triggers outputs together , which then you are combining Piezo elements and the rim on the Tom would still be active.

DB25 Harnesses typically have molded ends and shared grounds etc so if a cable gets damaged or pulled out..bent/broken pin(s)  etc..the whole Harness can end up having issues and they are not cheap..I have seen them now at nearly 1/2 the cost of the module..in some cases (depending on the module) the same price as a module.

As far as Breakout Boxes/Splitter Boxes..there are some that are to the extreme for DB25 Harness Haters..

These Boxes are designed to also split the triggers on a DB25 Harness..
The Boxes were by Drone Trigger...which is/was Mike from "Kit Toys".
Kit Toys was an E-Cymbal Line up discontinued well over a Decade ago..he then went on to develop the DRONE Trigger System..
The Cymbals are hard to find and highly sought after..









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