Alesis NITRO ULTIMATE

[wildbill]

https://www.alesisdrums.com/electronic-drum-kits/nitro-ultimate/

Just announced.  It's got the hi hat that was talked about, everything looks like its dual zone, and the price is decent - $899.

[Chaser]

NITRO ULTIMATE





The new Nitro Ultimate is a nine-piece kit that?s been designed to offer a complete practice-to-performance solution, and promises to bridge the gap between entry-level and professional electronic drumming.



Movable, Stand-Mounted Hi-Hat

The Nitro Ultimate hi-hat controller is designed to function seamlessly on a traditional hi-hat stand for an authentic, familiar feel. By using your own hi-hat stand, you can play with greater nuance and dynamic control?just like on an acoustic kit?with  the comfort and responsiveness of a setup you already know, instead of adapting to an unfamiliar setup or floor pedal.



Dual-Zone Cymbals with Choke

Get the glossy ping of a ride cymbal, the rich wash of an edge, and responsive choke functionality all in a sleek, grooved package. The Nitro Ultimate comes with four 10" cymbals: one ride, two crashes, and a hi-hat with stand-mounted controller.

Dual-Zone Drums with Mesh Heads

The Nitro Ultimates dual-zone drums let you play naturally with full expression. This super-responsive technology, used in the kit's three 8" toms and deep 10" snare, allows for more advanced drumming techniques like rimshots. You can also choose to assign different sounds to the rims to add more color and variety to your drumming.

Rugged Steel Rack

The reinforced four-post rack with curved steel bars is both sturdy and immensely adjustable. Whether you're recreating the layout of an acoustic kit or dialing in a custom configuration, the flexible design makes it easy to match your preferred playing style. The rack adjusts effortlessly to accommodate drummers of all sizes, so you can create your perfect setup and play with confidence.

Bluetooth Connectivity

If you have a phone and headphones, you?re ready to go. Connect seamlessly to the Nitro Ultimate and dial in your sound directly on the Module. Start the music or video on your phone and you?re all set to get in a practice session or just jam for a while.




Alesis's most comprehensive Nitro drum module yet

The appropriately named Alesis Nitro Ultimate drum module represents nothing less than Alesis's finest Nitro module to date. Powered by the robust BFD Player (and featuring the free Dark Mahogany expansion pack), the Nitro Ultimate module sports 36 preset kits, and you can select from more than 640 sounds to create 16 custom user kits for a total of 52 kits. The always convenient integrated Bluetooth means you can start jamming along with songs or listening to your new Drumeo lessons from day one. Finally, using MIDI via USB connectivity, you can run your Alesis Nitro Ultimate kit through your favorite drumming software for unlimited sound and recording options.

Natural feel and playability

With 52 kits and more than 640 sounds to explore, the Nitro Ultimate offers immediate inspiration. The kit?s convenient Bluetooth connectivity makes it easy to jam along with songs, engage with lessons, or start recording. Users get 90-day access to interactive lessons from Drumeo, as well as the BFD Player Software with Dark Mahogany Expansion Pack and BFD Player Core Library for free.

Stand-mounted movable hi-hat for a more authentic hi-hat experience that supports advanced playing techniques and works with traditional hi-hat stands (sold separately)
Dual-zone drums with mesh drumheads for quiet, responsive playing with an acoustic feel
Newly engineered groove-style, dual-zone cymbals with choke functionality for control and nuance?allows for separate edge crashes and bow/tip sounds
Sturdy, reinforced rack structure empowers drummers to play with confidence
Included Nitro Ultimate Module features 52 built-in drum kits and over 640 sounds for immediate inspiration, plus free access to BFD Player
Free 90-day access to interactive drum lessons through Drumeo?s online learning platform
Bluetooth connectivity for easy jamming and play-along practice

FEATURES

Kit Configuration: 9-piece
Kick: 8" tower with mesh head plus kick pedal
Snare: 10" dual-zone mesh deep snare with metal hoops
Toms: (3) 8" dual-zone mesh with metal hoops
Hi-Hat: 10" dual-zone cymbal with stand-mounted controller-works with traditional hi-hat stand (sold separately)
Cymbals: (1) 10" dual-zone ride and (2) 10" dual-zone crashes
Rack: Rugged 4-post steel with locking clamps
Module/Display: Nitro Ultimate Drum Module
Kits: 52 Total (36 Factory, 16 User)
Sounds: 640+ professionally designed drum, cymbal, percussion, and electronic sounds (BFD Player Included)
Trigger Inputs: (9) via DB25, (2) via 1/4" TRS
I/O: (2) TRS main outs, 1/8" stereo headphone out, 1/8" TRS stereo aux in, USB MIDI
USB: MIDI connection for virtual instruments and recording software
Bluetooth: Audio streaming
Software: Drumeo 90-day subscription, BFD Player with free Dark Mahogany Expansion Pack and BFD Player Core Library

SPECS
Drum Kits: 52 kits
Instruments: 640+ (drums, cymbals, percussion, SFX)
Tempo Range: 30?250 BPM
Display: Backlit segment LCD

Connectors:
DB25-pin connector snake cable input
1/8" (3.5 mm) stereo headphone output
1/8" (3.5 mm) stereo auxiliary input
1/4" (6.35 mm) TRS stereo audio output
USB-B port

Bluetooth:
Classic Audio
Bluetooth? Core Version: 5.3
Range: Up to 98 feet (30 meters)
Transmitter Frequency Range: 2402?2480 MHz
Transmitter Power: 8 dBm

Power: 9V DC, 500mA (center-positive)
Physical Attributes

Kit Dimensions (Typical Setup/Assemble Kit Approximate Dims) HxWxD:
Inches: 48.04 x 50 x 40.15
Centimeters: 122 x 127 x 102
    Kit Weight:
        58lbs

NITRO ULTIMATE User Guide v1.0

Alesis Nitro Ultimate | Alesis Drums

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[Chaser]

It has been out for a while..just not "Officially' I was working on final lay/uploading the official product release details and video was just released an hour ago and the User Guide..I had already pressed the upload button as I didn't see you posted during..I'll move it here or delete it..whichever way Hellfire want to go..

Main changes are finally a Std rack..and a (2)pc Hi Hat controller..Dual Zone Toms..Dual Zone Cymbals..the Module is loaded with the BFD Dark Farm Expansion.
Dark Mahogany which was also split off to a BFD Player version.

The NITRO ULTIMATE user Guide shows the same MIDI mapping/Notes as the other NITRO Modules..single zone Cymbals...so there is some confusion.
The Cymbals may work on earlier..IF there is a TRS cable on the DB25 harness..


Every Nitro owner will be after the HH controller..it is NOT a Variable Controller and is setup for sending 1/2 open...

[Hellfire]

I just merged the topic together. That way every message is in time stamp order. The titles were the same however I like the capitalized title better. 

[Hellfire]

Something isn't right about those pictures. The image of the pad by itself shows a "basket" like bottom design, where as the kit image shows a solid bottom design on the two rack toms. Alesis marketing department needs to be more careful when showing product shots.

[Chaser]

Something isn't right about those pictures. The image of the pad by itself shows a "basket" like bottom design, where as the kit image shows a solid bottom design on the two rack toms. Alesis marketing department needs to be more careful when showing product shots.

Yeah..I was was going through and had questioned  about a number of images...some of the latest 10" cymbals on other Nitro Products (Pro/XL) still have the "Hammered" look and now show a full strip on the edge  and you can make out a small switch area just above it..however still show the Choke Dots (7 Dots) on top.
The Newest 10"(Nitro Ultimate) release have the same offset design , however a "lathed" look including the rubber strike pad...No Choke Dots..No small switch area (Choke) above the strip.
The older/original 10" have the "Hammered" design/look..No edge strip and the switch area (Choke) goes all the way to the edge of the cymbal.

It appears there are now (3) 10" Cymbal designs....so there will be as much confusion as the multiple versions of the DMHat Pedals.

The Toms for ALL Nitro products show closed bottom....The Tom image posted above has the rack mount.
The Nitro Pro product page along with some of the Newer Models shows the Toms with closed bottoms with the open for the Snare.
The Strata Club and Crimson II are closed Bottoms...the CORE and PRIME are entirely different.
so the Tom image is incorrect?..and the kit it belongs to?..

EDIT:
After checking the Snare does have a rack Mount...so the image is probably of the snare..so I'll remove it..I got it from another reviewer for the Toms.


https://www.alesisdrums.com/electronic-drum-kits/nitro-pro/#gallery

[Hellfire]

Something isn't right about those pictures. The image of the pad by itself shows a "basket" like bottom design, where as the kit image shows a solid bottom design on the two rack toms. Alesis marketing department needs to be more careful when showing product shots.

Yeah..I was was going through and had questioned  about a number of images...some cymbals show the full strip on other Nitro Products..some still show the Choke Dots (7 Dots) on top.

The Toms for ALL Nitro products show closed bottom....The Tom image posted above has the rack mount.
The Nitro Pro product page along with some of the Newer Models shows the Toms with closed bottoms with the open for the Snare.
The Strata Club and Crimson II are closed Bottoms...the CORE and PRIME are entirely different.
so the Tom image is incorrect?..and the kit it belongs to?..

EDIT:
After checking the Snare does have a rack Mount...so the image is probably of the snare..so I'll remove it..I got it from another reviewer for the Toms.


https://www.alesisdrums.com/electronic-drum-kits/nitro-pro/#gallery

Well, I was hoping Alesis redesigned all of their pads and went to a open bottom on all triggers. That actually makes play the drum quieter.

[Chaser]

Well, I was hoping Alesis redesigned all of their pads and went to a open bottom on all triggers. That actually makes play the drum quieter.

I also thought all New models would have the similar Trigger system for the Toms by now..even the beginner/entry level kits Turbo MAX,Nitro MAX have the New Open trigger design.
The lineup has been almost completely replaced in the past couple years...I haven't seen any New Patents for Trigger Systems in quite awhile.

as far as Patents/Mesh/Trigger Systems go.
The InMusic/Roland Copyright Infringement Lawsuit is going to Re-trial...Federal Judge Vacated the damages from the 1st one.
I believe a lot of people are watching this one..

Federal Circuit Orders New Trial on Damages in Roland v. InMusic

Face the inMusic: A Corporate Patent Owner Cannot Recover the Lost Profits of a Subsidiary.

On appeal, the Federal Circuit vacated the entire damages award and remanded the case to the district court for a new trial on damages. With respect to lost profits, after reciting the "general rule" of lost profits recovery noted above, the court held that Roland had failed to introduce substantial evidence that Roland U.S.s profits "inexorably flowed" to Roland. The only evidence introduced was testimony from an executive of both Roland and Roland U.S. that Roland U.S. was a wholly owned subsidiary, and the court held this to be conclusory and insufficient.

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[wildbill]

I just merged the topic together. That way every message is in time stamp order. The titles were the same however I like the capitalized title better. 

Thanks for fixing it. 
I tried to change the title after I took a second look and realized it was all lower case, but couldn't find how to edit it.

I'm mostly with Yamaha stuff, but I must admit, this one's got a lot going for it.

[F.Andreas]

Hi, I am a new member here, and I am looking for info and clarification on this new Ultimate Hi-Hat controller.

Do I understand the feature and the capability of this Nitro Ultimate Hi-Hat solution with the following summary?

It offers the real Hi-Hat pedal feel (obviously, with standalone Hi-Hat stand) - however the Hi-Hat transition between open and closed is not continuous - since this Nitro Ultimate module (as any other Nitro module) supports the Open-HalfOpen-Closed Hi-Hat states/sounds, as listed in the Ultimate Module User Guide.
So, this provides the real Hi-Hat control feel with the stand, but not the real Hi-Hat open-close sound transition. With the Hi-Hat stand you still need to experiment where the exact transitions between Open-HalfOpen-Closed sounds - similar to the other Nitro HH control pedal solution.

The Complete Hi-Hat sound and feel is provided by the the Strata modules: they support the the MIDI CC for Hi-Hat - there is the Hi-Hat calibration process and the further tuning for the continuous control - and this is not required/available for the Nitro Ultimate module.

I wonder if I understood the capability correctly of this Ultimate Hi-Hat solution.Thanks for any comment/correction/confirmation, in advance.

/Andreas 

[Hellfire]

Hi, I am a new member here, and I am looking for info and clarification on this new Ultimate Hi-Hat controller.

Do I understand the feature and the capability of this Nitro Ultimate Hi-Hat solution with the following summary?

It offers the real Hi-Hat pedal feel (obviously, with standalone Hi-Hat stand) - however the Hi-Hat transition between open and closed is not continuous - since this Nitro Ultimate module (as any other Nitro module) supports the Open-HalfOpen-Closed Hi-Hat states/sounds, as listed in the Ultimate Module User Guide.
So, this provides the real Hi-Hat control feel with the stand, but not the real Hi-Hat open-close sound transition. With the Hi-Hat stand you still need to experiment where the exact transitions between Open-HalfOpen-Closed sounds - similar to the other Nitro HH control pedal solution.

The Complete Hi-Hat sound and feel is provided by the the Strata modules: they support the the MIDI CC for Hi-Hat - there is the Hi-Hat calibration process and the further tuning for the continuous control - and this is not required/available for the Nitro Ultimate module.

I wonder if I understood the capability correctly of this Ultimate Hi-Hat solution.Thanks for any comment/correction/confirmation, in advance.

/Andreas

Welcome to the forum!

I believe the Nitro module (internally) doesn't have true variable hi-hat however I think it does send variable hi-hat data out the MIDI (& USB MIDI) port. So when connected to a DAW you should get true variable hi-hat control. I'm guessing that is how Alesis is able to say what they say about the use of the Ultmate Hi-Hat controller with the Nitro module. Keep in mind I don't own a Nitro module, but Alesis states that MIDI CC info is sent via the MIDI ports:

"The way that higher level e-drum kits from the Nitro all the way up through our top of the line kits send the hi-hat message is this- the hi-hat regardless of position is still the hi-hat cymbal, and it's relative position is indicated by a CC value as it opens and closes. It's still the same cymbal, it's simply in a different position."

[F.Andreas]

Hi, thanks for the response.

In the meantime I found the following in a Reddit forum, where someone already had the opportunity to compare the new Nitro Ultimate to the Pro, having the Pro kit replaced/swapped in to the new Ultimate:

"... I do believe the hi-hat controller is continuous, however the module only has open, half open, and closed, and the half-open tolerance is still only a millimeter which I can never get to work (why Alesis???). But I?m hoping a VST can better utilize the controller somehow. Maybe with a eDRUMin add on?"

This confirms my initial thought - there is the better, real pedal feel with the standalone HH, but the Open/Close transition is quite the same as with the HH-pedal: Open/Half-Open/Close sounds only, and quite challenging to get the Half-Open, even with the standalone stand - due to the Module capability.

[Chaser]

Welcome to the Forum !

The Nitro Ultimate supports a Dual Zone Hi Hat....AND has the MIDI Support (MIDI Note assignments) along with the Articulations/Sounds/Voices to support it.
The Nitro Max and Pro DO NOT have the MIDI Support (MIDI Note Assignments) or Articulations/Sounds/Voices for a Dual Zone Hi hat which means you cannot just simply change the DB25 Harness and add the NEW Hi Hat Controller as you could do with early Alesis Modules.

The Nitro MAX and Nitro PRO DB25 Harness is TS (Tip/Sleeve) and supports a Single Zone Hi Hat..the HH Controller cable is TRS.
The Nitro ULTIMATE DB25 Harness is TRS (Tip/Ring/Sleeve) and supports a Dual Zone Hi Hat..the HH Controller Cable is TS.

The answer/responses (Alesis/InMusic Knowledge Base,AI Chatbot etc etc) are generic and exactly the same for ALL Kits.

Is the Hi-Hat control a continuous signal?...Is the Hi-Hat pedal a continuous or a switch-type pedal?

The Hi-Hat pedal included with the Nitro Max Kit is a continuous variable type pedal.
This pedal allows for open, half-open, and closed hi-hat sounds, and will also allow for "chick" and "splash" sounds when the pedal is pressed down and released without striking the hi-hat cymbal pad.

The Hi-Hat pedal included with the Nitro Pro Kit is a continuous variable type pedal.
This pedal allows for open, half-open, and closed hi-hat sounds, and will also allow for "chick" and "splash" sounds when the pedal is pressed down and released without striking the hi-hat cymbal pad.

The Hi-Hat control included with the Nitro Ultimate Kit is a continuous variable type pedal.
This setup allows for open, half-open, and closed hi-hat sounds, and will also allow for "chick" and "splash" sounds when the pedal is pressed down and released without striking the hi-hat cymbal pad.

The Nitro Ultimate Includes a "Hi Hat Controller" and requires a Hi Hat Stand...NOT a Variable "TYPE" Pedal.

I have Tested the MAX and PRO through MIDIOX...neither send or recognize CC4.
The Modules send MIDI Notes and Aftertouch...



Additional Info in this post for the DMHat V2.

The Nitro MAX and Nitro PRO DO NOT Support the Reahat Pedal.
The range for the RealHat Pedal is too small..about half at 77kOHM...the DMHat V2 Pedal is 150kOHM.

If you only require Chick,Closed and Half Open and never use a Splash then the Realhat will work.

I managed to get the Module to send MIDI Note 21 (Splash)..however it didn't trigger in the Module.
As you can see in the image...Pedal all the way up only sends Half Open.....MIDI Note 23





Since the Nitro ULTIMATE has a different DB25 Harness, HH Controller and  Articulation/Sounds.
It is unknown at this time if the Hi Hat is actually  a CC4 Hi Hat and it's range until someone checks for  it.
As mentioned Previously...the HH Controller Cable is  TS...NOT TRS as the DMHat V2...Variable Hi Hat Cables are Typically TS.

There are NO HI hat Combos in the Articulation/Sounds/Voices as you would find in the Intermediate Modules with a CC4 Hi Hat.

Alesis Nitro Ultimate Hi hat


VIDEO

Nitro Ultimate Hihat Tutorial | Alesis Drums


Alesis Nitro Series - MODULE COMPARISON




Nitro MAX FAQ

Nitro PRO FAQ

Nitro ULTIMATE FAQ


USER GUIDES

Nitro MAX

Nitro PRO

Nitro ULTIMATE


as far as using an eDRUMin..here is an example using the MIDI EXPRESSION (5 PIN MIDI) with the STRIKE Multipad which does not have a variable Controller and sending CC4 out.
The Variable Hi Hat setting in the SMP is for the Interpretation of the signal it expects to receive.
The setting (also in other Alesis Modules) does not convert the Module/Multipad to actual CC4.

The NEW Nitro Series Modules...DO NOT have 5 PIN MIDI...You cannot add or chain additional MIDI hardware etc.

The Previous Nitro (Surge) Series Modules (Medeli DD512) had both 5 PIN MIDI IN and OUT.




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[Hellfire]

...The answer/responses (Alesis/InMusic Knowledge Base,AI Chatbot etc etc) are generic and exactly the same for ALL Kits.
...

The Nitro Ultimate Includes a "Hi Hat Controller" and requires a Hi Hat Stand...NOT a Variable "TYPE" Pedal.

I have Tested the MAX and PRO through MIDIOX...neither send or recognize CC4.
The Modules send MIDI Notes and Aftertouch...

Thanks for the confirmation Chaser.

You would think Alesis own website can be trusted. I guess not. 

I guess Alesis is just going to use AI to write their website from now on and not even check to see if it is correct. 

[Chaser]

...The answer/responses (Alesis/InMusic Knowledge Base,AI Chatbot etc etc) are generic and exactly the same for ALL Kits.
...

The Nitro Ultimate Includes a "Hi Hat Controller" and requires a Hi Hat Stand...NOT a Variable "TYPE" Pedal.

I have Tested the MAX and PRO through MIDIOX...neither send or recognize CC4.
The Modules send MIDI Notes and Aftertouch...

Thanks for the confirmation Chaser.

You would think Alesis own website can be trusted. I guess not. 

I guess Alesis is just going to use AI to write their website from now on and not even check to see if it is correct. 

The...Variable "TYPE" marketing just caused confusion....
The Original RealHat always stated "CONTINUOUSLY"/Variable in the product descriptions etc etc...and was issued with Modules sending CC4.

You will see CONTINUOUS on the Hi Hat pedal...to add even more to the confusion..the DMHat V2 Variable "TYPE" Pedal..is Labeled OPEN/CLOSED,which presumably = Switch..however it is Not....it is a segmented soft pot or Resistor Ladder..whatever the correct term would be.

There is actually a NEW RealHat V2.. Alesis RealHat 2 Continuous..however No Announcement/Press Release etc.

If you web search etc etc...the only info for the Realhat is still the Alesis Product page showing Discontinued and Retailers showing as UNAVAILABLE.

Realhat V1..Labeled CONTINUOUS... NEW pedals are now available from multiple sellers on...ebay...for a Price..

Watchout for Realhat listings where it may have a Realhat Housing but labeled OPEN/CLOSED..that is the early version of the DMHat V2..the Newest DMHat Pedal (V3?) has an Oval Foot board and also labeled OPEN/CLOSED...
I actually purchased (cheap) a number of the early V2 Pedals for people to get rid of the DMHat V2 Plastic housing version (which is a POS).
The "Cheap" Realhats were being sold as Non-Working...when actually they were early DMHats V2.

Realhat V2 has the Oval Foot Board and Labeled RealHat Pedal CONTINUOUS.... they are starting to show up on ebay and Reverb....

So for those doing research and looking at purchasing a Hi Hat Pedal... if the Pedal is Labeled CONTINUOUS...it is for Modules sending CC4...

also..Not to go off topic...

The matching Alesis Hi Hat Stand for the Nitro ULTIMATE..still isn't available...
I see retailers are throwing in DW,Gibraltar etc etc stands for packages..

REALHAT V1



REALHAT V2


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[F.Andreas]

Hi,
Just a quick follow-up on the HH capability.
This recent review of the Ultimate (https://youtu.be/o5L3VkDaASU?t=198) confirms that although the feeling is better with the real standalone HH stand and the new controller, this still has the same capability of producing the Open/Half-Open/Closed sounds, similar to the HH pedal controller.