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3 zone Lemon ride on Crimson module
« on: October 25, 2024, 09:48:03 AM »
Hi,
I've ordered a 15" triple zone Lemon ride for my Crimson kit (not received yet).
I discovered yesterday that it won't work out of the box as a 3 zone ride because it has 2 jack plugs. Crimson kits uses a 3 zone DMPad ride cymbal with only 1 jack connector.
Then I found this kind of cable and I'm wondering if it would work with my kit: https://dolbydrums.io/products/3-zone-ride-convetyer-for-roland-boss-or-alesis-v-drum-cable-cord-short-right-angle

I decided to disassembly my cymbal and ended with this schematic:

Ground|---|Piezo|---[68K resistor]-----(Tip)
Ground|---[100K resistor]-----(Tip)

Ground|---|Bell switch|---[10K resistor]-----(Ring)
Ground|---|Edge switch|-----(Ring)

It's pretty similar to Yamaha schematic I found here: https://i.imgur.com/J73Syn9.jpg

So I wonder if it's possible to make and adapter to use a 3 zone Lemon ride with my Crimson kit...

Offline Chaser

Re: 3 zone Lemon ride on Crimson module
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2024, 11:27:45 AM »
Hi,
I've ordered a 15" triple zone Lemon ride for my Crimson kit (not received yet).
I discovered yesterday that it won't work out of the box as a 3 zone ride because it has 2 jack plugs. Crimson kits uses a 3 zone DMPad ride cymbal with only 1 jack connector.
Then I found this kind of cable and I'm wondering if it would work with my kit: https://dolbydrums.io/products/3-zone-ride-convetyer-for-roland-boss-or-alesis-v-drum-cable-cord-short-right-angle

I decided to disassembly my cymbal and ended with this schematic:

Ground|---|Piezo|---[68K resistor]-----(Tip)
Ground|---[100K resistor]-----(Tip)

Ground|---|Bell switch|---[10K resistor]-----(Ring)
Ground|---|Edge switch|-----(Ring)

It's pretty similar to Yamaha schematic I found here: https://i.imgur.com/J73Syn9.jpg

So I wonder if it's possible to make and adapter to use a 3 zone Lemon ride with my Crimson kit...

Single cable 3 Zone Rides are basically Yamaha wiring..

Zourman has been making adapters etc for years...there is also a Box....Originally used for 2-Box Modules.

Convert Your Electronic Ride to a Single Cable | Zourman Roland/ATV/Lemon to Yamaha Adapter.

If you are a DIY and rather make your own than spend $25 for Dolby.

I attached a Label off one of the Cables..it has a Hint how it is Made..

There is also a Hint to a Link at V-Drums for making your own in the Video..

Here is the Link
« Last Edit: October 25, 2024, 12:24:27 PM by Chaser »

Re: 3 zone Lemon ride on Crimson module
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2024, 12:46:03 PM »
Ok so this cable should work?
Even if there is a difference regarding resistance value in the piezo line?
I've ordered stuff to build one, I'll see...

Offline Chaser

Re: 3 zone Lemon ride on Crimson module
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2024, 09:15:22 PM »
Ok so this cable should work?
Even if there is a difference regarding resistance value in the piezo line?
I've ordered stuff to build one, I'll see...

I'd wait for the Cymbal to arrive and see how it's wired...more than likely are similar if not the same as the images I attached.
Lemon Cymbals in the past had optional ports inside and you could unplug from one and plug into another.
Some of the earlier Cymbals the Edge/Bell would be reversed depending on the Module being used and you could change it..reportedly..some were Dual Zone and you could move to a plug to make it 3 Zone.
I don't believe there are schematics for all the versions of lemon Cymbals out there yet.
Alesis Dual Jack you just run a jumper wire from the Edge Jack Ring to the Bell/Bow jack Ring..as long as there is a 10kOHM resistor to separate the switches..you are just eliminating a jack and wiring direct...the Sleeve and Tip are connected/shared between jacks as they are on the same board on Alesis Dual Cable Rides.

That's the main difference between single cable and Dual cable cymbals...(2) Jacks separate the 2 switches or a resistor separates the 2 switches.
Both read off the same Piezo into 1 input or 2...Yamaha Cymbals and Pads are wired the same..

Interestingly enough(at least for me)..Lemon uses separate Boards and they appear to be the same board used for single and dual cable cymbals..each with a ribbon (Bell or Switch) going to it and you change the plug from one board to the other if the Bell and edge are switched in the Module you are using.The Plug is just the Piezo..there is also another location for a 2nd Piezo (Not Used).
I can't see where the 2 boards are connected or sharing connections and wonder what would happen if you could add the 2nd Piezo and plug into the other board...I also don't see any resistors...may be underneath the PCB boards if there are any...a number of Manufacture's these days are not using the older style and instead using SMD type.

LEMON SINGLE CABLE CYMBAL




LEMON DUAL CABLE CYMBAL - PLUG A




LEMON DUAL CABLE CYMBAL - PLUG MOVED TO B




Resistors on the Piezo was to cool it down..
The DMPads are an older Design 10 years+ and the Alesis Modules (They were Not Re-Branded Medeli) back then had inputs that were considered too hot..so the Cymbals output were probably lowered.The Realheads also had resistors which many removed doing the Hellfire mesh Conversion as the Piezo was moved deeper into the shell.This was before the Mesh Kits and specific Firmware for Mesh Heads was released.
The Crimson Kits and the DM10 MKII Pro (ALL Medeli Re-Brands)were released with the DMPads.
That is probably the reason so many complaints about having to hit so hard using the Medeli Modules.
The Medeli Modules respond very well to the STRIKE Cymbals and FYI the 14" STRIKE Cymbal is actually Triple (3) Zone Single Cable...although marketed as Dual Zone...The 12" is Dual Zone.(No Bell)


EDIT:
Added Images
« Last Edit: October 26, 2024, 12:24:24 AM by Chaser »

Re: 3 zone Lemon ride on Crimson module
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2024, 02:29:49 AM »
Thanks for the information.
Actually regarding how the cymbal is wired I think it will be easier to do the modification on the cymbal itself.

Re: 3 zone Lemon ride on Crimson module
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2024, 10:09:12 AM »
For information I did the modification in the cymbal, soldered the sleeves of the two boards together and the rings together with a 10 Kohms resistor.
Everything works fine.