Which old module will work with Alesis Strike 14" Crash Cymbal Pad Dual Zone

[Tretopcow]

I want to buy a second hand old Alesis module that will work with Alesis Strike 14" Crash Cymbal Pad Dual Zone so I can have a bell sound and a normal ride on this pad. Which modules have a bell sound and work with this cymbal. The older/cheaper the better.
Many thanks.

[Hellfire]

I want to buy a second hand old Alesis module that will work with Alesis Strike 14" Crash Cymbal Pad Dual Zone so I can have a bell sound and a normal ride on this pad. Which modules have a bell sound and work with this cymbal. The older/cheaper the better.
Many thanks.

Welcome to the forum!

Well, the Strike itself is now discontinued, so I would suggest a used Strike module. Other than that I don't really know. I would think just about any older Alesis module that handles dual zone cymbals can do this. You might have to start looking at manuals for different modules to get a better answer. Or maybe someone else will chime in. 

[Tretopcow]

Thanks. Yeah I have a Strike which I bought 2nd hand so it needs to work with that.

[Chaser]

Thanks. Yeah I have a Strike which I bought 2nd hand so it needs to work with that.

If you have a STRIKE Module..are you already using a Dual Cable Ride?

The 14 STRIKE Cymbal is actually single cable.. Triple (3) Zone..
The "Older" Modules that work with a single cable Triple Zone would be the Crimson Modules (Medeli DD650 Re-Brand)..plug-n-play.
The Majority of entry level modules don't support multiple zone cymbals..especially a Bell Zone..or even have a Bell articulation in the Sample Base.
 
If you don't have a Dual Cable Ride..plug the 14 into the Ride 1..you'll have Bell and Bow.
This works well for Tip/Bow..Shank/Bell...and the input is already assigned to the Ride Group(s)

To have an edge articulation (if you want) add an edge articulation to layer B on the Bow and move (adjust/dial in to your playing style/hits) the Velocity Limits for each layer.

Example
Layer A = 0-120 - 124....
Layer B = 125-127....

If you want to use one of the Crash Inputs..remove the Edge articulation.. replace with a Bell articulation.
then adjust the Bow Zone as above..Bow articulation on A..Bell on B and set the Velocity Limits according to Playing Style/Hits.

The only thing to watch for is if you shank/strike the Edge of the Cymbal with Velocity/HARD like you are crashing it... the Bell will sound.

You are basically setting up velocity switching , so if you want all 3 Zones on a Dual Zone input to work with your playing style/hits you'll have to play consistently so the settings work well.

FYI...the Majority of the Cymbals in the STRIKE Module only have 1 articulation for the Edge as you are Crashing the Cymbal so I presume the thinking (while programming the Module) must have been you don't require a lot of dynamics/velocities.

[Tretopcow]

Thanks a lot for that info.
Ah yes - the Strike cymbal only has one cable input.
It was sold to me as a dual cymbal cymbal but I guess it isn't? But I'm only interested in the bell sound and the regular ride, bow sound.

More info...
I'm using an Alesis Nitro Mesh kit for everything except the ride as the Nitro Mesh has no bell sound and can't deal with that type of cymbal.
A friend lent me a Yamaha DTX brain which I use for the ride only (the strike cymbal). It does work but not for long. After a few hours or a day or two it starts being unreliable - missing rides sometimes or entirely. Kept fiddling with settings and it would work again - and then stop working again. Had enough of it. New cable by the way and I tested with a different new cable so not that. Guessed it was because the brain is Yamaha and the cymbal is Alesis. This is why I'm thinking a cheap Alesis brain instead. Sadly can't see any Medeli DD650's for sale in UK. Not too worried about dynamics. Just need a basic ride with a bell that works for teaching purposes. I'm no guru on electronic kits as you may have guessed.

[Chaser]

Thanks. Yeah I have a Strike which I bought 2nd hand so it needs to work with that.

So when you posted you have a STRIKE you bought 2nd hand..you were talking about the Cymbal....and "it" needs to work with that ..
is actually meant as "it" being a Module..

I'm using an Alesis Nitro Mesh kit for everything except the ride as the Nitro Mesh has no bell sound and can't deal with that type of cymbal.

So you are talking about using the Nitro Mesh Module.."Kit" refers to the Kit pieces..

The Nitro Modules/Kits are entry level and only have single zone Ride support...including the newest generation of Modules which are BFD.....
The entire kit is not practical for upgrades as the tom mounts/zones..rack are proprietary to the kit..Typically you would go from a Nitro to a Surge as far as upgraded hardware/kit pieces..Industry Standard 1-1/2 rack..Standard mounting Toms.. ...same module..same cymbals with the same problem...a single zone Ride.
The next Kit up with Multizone Cymbal support would have been a Medeli DD650 Re-Brand..Crimson (recently discontinued)....then the STRATA Series.

There is currently nothing in between the $500 to $2000 range that has a CC4 ( Continuous/Variable Hi Hat) and Multizone cymbals as all those Kits have recently been discontinued with the exception of the Command Kit.. also only has a Single Zone Ride..which is a Firmware limitation as it is the same module as the Crimson.
Basically The current Alesis Drum Lineup jumps from Nitro..all the way to Strata in order to get a Variable Hi Hat and Multizone cymbals.


Other than a Crimson or STRIKE Module or possibly an Original DM10 which used a Dual Cable Ride.Those are about the only options for a Ride with a bell..other than another Brand/Manufacturer

It was sold to me as a dual cymbal cymbal but I guess it isn't? But I'm only interested in the bell sound and the regular ride, bow sound.

The  Alesis STRIKE 14 Crash Cymbal is marketed as a single cable Dual Zone Crash Cymbal..which it is.
The fact that I mentioned it is Triple Zone is because I have had them apart and noted the Bell switch.
It is Bonus Information to know it is triple Zone as it will work with single cable ride Modules..ie the Crimson  Modules..Original and Crimson II Series including SE, so anyone looking to upgrade from the DMPad have an option they didn't know they had.
The cymbal follows Yamaha wiring so it should be compatible with Yamaha Modules.

Ride Cymbals for Higher End Modules have Dual Cables...there are no Dual Cable Crash Cymbals with the exception of Alesis using the older DMPad Ride Inventory and supplying a Dummy plug in one of the outputs and including as Crash cymbals for some of the Kits..which are now discontinued.

[Tretopcow]

Apologies for not being clearer.

Yes by "strike" I only mean my cymbal.
Yes by "it" I mean't the module.
So whatever module I buy (which will be for the ride only), it needs to work with the Strike cymbal I have.
I own an Alesis Nitro Mesh kit and cymbals but stopped using the ride that comes with that because I need one with a bell (Alesis doesn't have bell as you know).
I like the Nitro Mesh sounds so want to keep that. Happy to buy a cheap 2nd hand brain just for the ride. I don't mind turning two things on instead of one.

It sounds like I'll have to spend a lot to get this working as I'd hoped.
As you know, it does work well with the Yamaha DTX brain but not consistently - only for a few hours or days then it goes weird (working only half the time it is hit despite me not changing a thing on the module).
Would you expect it to work with the Yamaha DTX brain or would you expect Alesis-Yamaha clash issues?

Thanks

[Chaser]

Apologies for not being clearer.

Yes by "strike" I only mean my cymbal.
Yes by "it" I mean't the module.
So whatever module I buy (which will be for the ride only), it needs to work with the Strike cymbal I have.
I own an Alesis Nitro Mesh kit and cymbals but stopped using the ride that comes with that because I need one with a bell (Alesis doesn't have bell as you know).
I like the Nitro Mesh sounds so want to keep that. Happy to buy a cheap 2nd hand brain just for the ride. I don't mind turning two things on instead of one.

It sounds like I'll have to spend a lot to get this working as I'd hoped.
As you know, it does work well with the Yamaha DTX brain but not consistently - only for a few hours or days then it goes weird (working only half the time it is hit despite me not changing a thing on the module).
Would you expect it to work with the Yamaha DTX brain or would you expect Alesis-Yamaha clash issues?

Thanks

The Yamaha DTX Series has been out for well over 20+ years......which DTX Module..

The STRIKE single zone Triple Zone Ride follows Yamaha wiring..

[Tretopcow]

It's a Yamaha DTX-2

[Chaser]

It's a Yamaha DTX-2

The Module may have components that are starting to fail when  the module or the Power Supply gets hot..solder joints..capacitors etc etc..
I would suspect the Power Supply 1st..that's a lot of years and when Power Supplies start to go bad...odd things will happen that are mistaken for Module Failure..when it just a tired Old Power Supply

The DTX V2.0  (also known as DTX Pro) was released around 1997/8-2000...around the same time for the Alesis DMPro.
There was also a DTX Pro released in recent years which caused a lot of confusion..

The only remaining website links are over 20+ years old and the Kit Models were in the 3rd Generation..

The DTXerience.

The Forum etc was hacked and taken down at least a decade or so ago..

EDIT:
Added Links

[Tretopcow]

Thank you - will look into getting another power supply.

[Chaser]

Thank you - will look into getting another power supply.

No problem..also check and make sure the power supply currently used is at the amp rating required.
It's quite common for power supplies to have been replaced (failure,lost etc) at least once in 25 years and get replaced with one with a little lower amperage which causes the Module to get hot sooner as it tries to draw enough amperage to operate.
You can go over the Amperage rating as the Module will only draw what it needs..you just can't go under.
The power supply looks to be a more common setup 12 Vole 700mA Pos Center (you may even have one laying around)....which is good as they are cheaper than power supplies of that era which quite often were the pin type..I have a lot of gear from that timeline that is 4 or 5 pin with multiple voltages needed...even the Alesis DMPro is 4 Pin.
I always get with at least 25% over the Amp rating as most I found are actually producing less amps than posted ..especially Made in China products.
Worst case is you may still have the issue..but you'll have eliminated a trouble-shooting step and have a spare power supply that can also be used for quite a few other electronics.


Yamaha Power Adapter PA-1207  (12 volt 700mA..Pos Center)
World Wide Input Voltage 100-240VAC 50/60Hz

[Tretopcow]

Great. Thank you. Will see if I can find one - otherwise will order one.
Much appreciated.

[Chaser]

Great. Thank you. Will see if I can find one - otherwise will order one.
Much appreciated.

The Authentic/ OEM ones are probably expensive compared to the Chinese knockoffs etc..
This is where it's a tough/Judgement call as the older modules are out there and pretty cheap..I was just offered one..$10 to ship