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Yamaha DTX900 Series
Hellfire:
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--- Quote from: Hellfire on December 22, 2009, 11:48:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: WOUND4SOUND on December 22, 2009, 05:26:52 PM ---is this still a reflection plate design phil? or is it a whole new concept with the silicon cell?
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Yes, solid surface pads (rubber, silicone and base on the video cut away I saw) are still a types of reflection plate. They are the original type of reflection plate triggers actually. I know the silicone (not silicon, silicon is what they make computer chips out of) pads are going to feel great. I know because of the the experiments I did over the summer with silicone oven mitts.
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now from what i looked for on the net the oven mitts are a silicone gel much like a breast implant could a foam be used i found several possibilities for foam and sponge but as you said there is a price curve to it i found a 36" x 36" sheet of silicone rubber sponge for $170 which would do a few pads i might try a smaller piece for use on the bass drum as a test (btw phil i got my shells rolled and the rest of the materials on the way i should have the finished product the 2nd week of january im excited to play them ) theres another material i seen that gave me a idea its called elephant bark i got tons at work imm try it out see where it goes.
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The silicone I used was cast silicone. Not gel. Gel will do you no good. a silicone sponge should work (heck that's what the new Yamaha's are made of, just very controlled air pockets) but, how thick is it? What is it density? I would think you need at least 3/8" to 1/2" thick minimum. Density is going to be a trial and error thing. Let us know what you come up with.
goony:
--- Quote from: Exhumus on December 23, 2009, 06:10:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: goony on December 23, 2009, 05:36:42 AM ---I am hoping that Yamaha do release details on a mid price point kit, similar price point to TD9 ish, as the current DTXpress not quite upto it, in my view.
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TD9 (not SX - $1499.97@Sweetwater lists $1999.00):
2 zone snare
3 x 2 zone toms
kick
2 zone hihat
2 zone ride
2 zone crash
+
additional zone for ride
2 zone crash
2 zone aux
= 15 trigger zones (+ additional 5 with expansion) = 20 trigger zones
DTXpress IV Special ($1299.99@Sweetwater lists $1949.99):
3 zone snare
3 x single zone toms
kick
2 zone hihat
3 zone crash
single zone crash
3 zone ride
+
3 aux trigger inputs
= 16 (+ 3 pads with expansion) = 19 trigger zones
It's really a matter of taste whether you prefer the Yamaha sampling approach over the Roland Sampling/COSM approach, and then whether you like having Roland's entry level mesh snare over Yamaha's top end gum rubber snare. Yamaha cymbals are an easy win IMO, and while you can update the TD9 to a VH11 at considerable expense the XPress IV has RHH135 out of the box.
I think they come fairly close to eachother and it comes mostly down to preference. The all mesh TD9 would win hands down - but that's another US$1200 and you still don't have the VH11.
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personally not that close, as the TD9 has dual triggers across all pads, even on the non mesh kit.
WOUND4SOUND:
--- Quote from: Hellfire on December 23, 2009, 11:02:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: WOUND4SOUND on December 23, 2009, 09:12:54 PM ---
--- Quote from: Hellfire on December 22, 2009, 11:48:16 PM ---
--- Quote from: WOUND4SOUND on December 22, 2009, 05:26:52 PM ---is this still a reflection plate design phil? or is it a whole new concept with the silicon cell?
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Yes, solid surface pads (rubber, silicone and base on the video cut away I saw) are still a types of reflection plate. They are the original type of reflection plate triggers actually. I know the silicone (not silicon, silicon is what they make computer chips out of) pads are going to feel great. I know because of the the experiments I did over the summer with silicone oven mitts.
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now from what i looked for on the net the oven mitts are a silicone gel much like a breast implant could a foam be used i found several possibilities for foam and sponge but as you said there is a price curve to it i found a 36" x 36" sheet of silicone rubber sponge for $170 which would do a few pads i might try a smaller piece for use on the bass drum as a test (btw phil i got my shells rolled and the rest of the materials on the way i should have the finished product the 2nd week of january im excited to play them ) theres another material i seen that gave me a idea its called elephant bark i got tons at work imm try it out see where it goes.
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The silicone I used was cast silicone. Not gel. Gel will do you no good. a silicone sponge should work (heck that's what the new Yamaha's are made of, just very controlled air pockets) but, how thick is it? What is it density? I would think you need at least 3/8" to 1/2" thick minimum. Density is going to be a trial and error thing. Let us know what you come up with.
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it comes in many thicknesses 1/32 to 3/4 of a inch it has a durometer of 30 to 70 there are a few different types but the one im looking at has a property of vibration absortion or transfer which would trigger the reflection plate design now i use a form of this type for the boiler so i can test it free i believe its a 1/4 inch thick it is exposed to high heat and pressure and maintains its form ive used it for a few years i think it would hold up well to the pads. going to thick might prevent proper triggering and make the playability suffer its a very dense matieral so i think 1/9 to a 1/4 would be perfect illl get back to you on my findings phil
Exhumus:
--- Quote from: goony on December 24, 2009, 04:44:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Exhumus on December 23, 2009, 06:10:16 PM ---
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personally not that close, as the TD9 has dual triggers across all pads, even on the non mesh kit.
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Yes... I realise that. But as you can see by my feature summary the total number of trigger zones is still only 20 on the Roland vs. 19 on the Yamaha. As a VST user most of my cymbals on SD2.2 (apart from rides and hats) only have edge samples anyway, so a bow zone is redundant for me (I use my ride edge for instance to trigger a china while my 3 zone crash acts as a second ride on bell and bow). I am mainly interested in the number of possible zones, and that number is very close.
The Yammy cymbals feel better than the CY8s that come stock on the rubber TD9, and again I'll mention the RHH135. For me the Yammy won in the end - and I was actually going out intending to buy a TD9. If the extra dollars justified the 'extra features' perhaps I might have... but to me they did not.
Still... each to their own.
In other news... someone teach me to play drums properly... I has teh tennis elbow. ;)
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