By the way, if you haven't bought the cymbal yet... I just bought a 14" crash from 682Drums, it was about 99 bucks, came in about 4 days, remarkably.. and it's the exact same unit that Alesis sells just doesn't have the name stamped on it.. they're excellent and can't beat the price.. closest I found here in my city was the 16" ride at about $169.. the same store I go to only seems to get the lower end Alesis cymbals (like the top hat from the Pro X). Anyways, I bought a 12" crash from them after I purchased their mesh/cone conversion kit, they've been great for me product-wise and being great to communicate and deal with, so I decided to buy another size.. using the two of them at my friend's where I've built up another e-kit but had crappy cymbals.