Author Topic: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos  (Read 39525 times)

Offline NK_Drummer

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2012, 03:58:57 PM »
The band became famous mid of the 90’s in southern Germany. All band members were brilliant musicans and we stood as a compact unit on stage. I had to leave the band in 1999 because of a mission in Kosovo (former Yugoslavia). I’am a soldier since 1987 and last year I came back from my meanwhile 8th mission. Next mission is planned next year which is going to be my third mission in Afghanistan. There is no way of being a drummer in a professional band for the next ten years (until I’am going to retire from active duty).
NK_Drummer, please let’s go back on topic or otherwise we would spoil this thread.
Let us look forward on your plan in doing the mesh conversion. ;)

Well I finally got around to converting the 10" using this method, in the meantime I had done a temporary conversion using another method, and with the limited time I had I was spending it playing the drums rather than take time to do a conversion.

So anyway, after trying first with 2, I ended up using 3 layers of 5mm foam underneath the sensor pad instead of 2 layers for the 12". This conversion works fine for the 10".

Thanks again for this fantastic conversion Gerdy.

Offline Gerdy

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2012, 11:24:13 PM »
Hi NK_Drummer,

thank you very much for your „success report“.
I’m happy with you. :)

Isn’t it crazy ?
In January we both were talking about a “foam formula” and now you are using a conversion method designated for the 12” pads for your 10” pads.

 ;D Welcome to the EDDIYW  ;D (electronic drums do it yourself world)

Offline recklessrog

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2012, 07:10:10 AM »
Hi, first of all, many thanks to Gerdy for the very clear and detailed post. I purchased a 12" pad for the snare yesterday and have ordered the exact same foam (adam hall) from a company here in the U.K cheaper inc. next day delivery than from Germany. They are:-

        Bluearan.co.uk, and the product code is ADH019505.

The 12" pad as standard with the Mylar head seems to be more articulate than the 10" and with a bit of tweaking to the settings is performing better than my 10" with mesh conversion. Can't wait to get the foam and mesh head to convert it!!! (mesh heads are Z-ED and are very reasonably priced)

Offline Gerdy

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2012, 08:49:37 AM »
Hello recklessrog,
thank you very much.
I read about your very good deal with the 12” pad you made inside your other post.
And the info about the foam, available in U.K., is fantastic. Thank you very much.

Please let me ask you about the purchased 12” pad.
Is it as plain at the bottom like the 8” and 10” pads or does it look like this:

12” pad from DM10 X kit



Sorry for asking.
Alesis is selling different 12” pads. The 12” pads that are coming with “Pro kits” are like the 8” and 10” pads.
As far as I know only the 12” pads coming with the X kit are different and have the notch at the bottom.
If your pad has the notch then this mod is the right one.
If not then you can do the “regular” Hellfire Mesh mod.

I updated the first page now with that picture.
Please forgive me if it wasn't clear enough.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2012, 08:57:21 AM by Gerdy »

Offline recklessrog

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2012, 12:36:04 PM »
Hi  :) yes it is the same as your picture, DM10X, I should have the foam and heads tommorow and will do the conversion. I'll let you know how I get on  :)

Offline recklessrog

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2012, 02:07:01 PM »
I recieved my foam and mesh head ok and carried out the mod exactly as described. When I tested it I had a lot of COLD spots where the triggering was low or intermittent. This turned out to be due to insufficient contact with the drum head.
    I noticed that the Z-ED twin ply head I am using is a little deeper than the Alesis mylar head. I took the pad apart, took out the two lower 5mm foams and put the original foam back, put the 5mm top piece of foam on top of the reflector plate, and checked it was sitting about 5-6mm higher than before, put the mesh head on, fitted the clamping ring and evenly tightened it all up and hey presto! it works perfectly!!!
    It seems there is some variation between heads of different makes so if you do the mod and have this problem its easily fixed.
    The feel is so much better with the mesh head, that extra 5mm foam works wonders, so much quieter too!!
     Thanks again to Gerdy, it really is worth doing  :) 

P.S- Ive got loads of the foam left over so if anyone in the uk needs some Pm me, and if you send a large (A4 or A3) envelope with stamps to cover the return postage I will give you enough to do the job until i run out of it.   
    Anyone overseas witll probably find the postage to high to be worth doing it but its up to you as long as It doesn't cost me anything to post it  ;D  In fairness If you want to convert more than one head its better that you buy it from one of the many suppliers  ::)
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 02:40:40 PM by recklessrog »

Offline Gerdy

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2012, 03:14:35 PM »
Recklessrog,
thank you very much for your “success report” and for sharing how you made it.
I’m happy with you.
And your additional offer is a real comradeship act.

Offline humpty27

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2012, 09:54:41 AM »
hi all, can i apply this mesh head conversion to 10" and 8" pad?.. ;D

Offline recklessrog

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2012, 04:04:16 PM »
Hi, before you do it see my later post.....12" snare mesh head/xtalk conversion, it will save you a lot of frustration.
  The other pads are different and there are lots of posts on how to do it, but if you follow the hellfire conversion instructions EXACTLY it will work fine.
   Good luck  :)
« Last Edit: December 21, 2012, 04:06:36 PM by recklessrog »

Offline humpty27

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2012, 10:33:27 PM »
Hi, before you do it see my later post.....12" snare mesh head/xtalk conversion, it will save you a lot of frustration.
  The other pads are different and there are lots of posts on how to do it, but if you follow the hellfire conversion instructions EXACTLY it will work fine.
   Good luck  :)

but yours seem DIY without those soldering. since my dm10 still new, im afraid to those things scared it was for nothing. Do you recommend me to do this mesh conversion to my 8" and 10" pad?

Offline recklessrog

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2012, 05:27:12 AM »
The 12" pad is different from the 8 & 10". it is possible to do the hellfire mod without soldering if you carefully stretch the lower foam over the reflection plate. There really is no reason why you cannot cut a slit in the foem to make it easier to get on and off, as once its all back in the shell any gap is closed up.
     Two things to be aware of, be VERY carefull not to put strain on the wires that go to the sensor, and also, check if the resistors are fitted, they need to be removed. If you find you have a little printed circuit board soldered directly to the socket it will be need to be removed and the sensor wires soldered directly to the socket. my other post has photo's of how to do it.
    The mesh head conversion really is worth doing, and although I appreciate your reluctance to alter the soldering because it is new, there is not much likelyhood of having a warranty issue with the heads.
    I converted  all of mine in the first week, never had an issue!
One last thing, when you open up your pad, check to see if some of the glue used on the reflection plate has formed a long drip and stuck to the foam or base, remove it if it has as it can cause increased crosstalk.
    All the best,  ;D 
« Last Edit: December 22, 2012, 05:28:55 AM by recklessrog »

Offline joefri187

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2013, 04:11:08 PM »
I've been interested in converting my DM10X 12" pads to mesh for some time, but having a hard time picking an exact formula to try.
 
Using Gerdy's method as a bench mark and after reading all the posts, it seemed like a 3/8" - 3/8" sandwich would be a great option.  That's 9.53mm on the top and 9.53mm on the bottom of the plate for a total of 19mm. Gerdy uses 5mm on top and 10mm on the bottom in his formula for a total of 15mm.  Those who are using 1/4" are ending up with 6.35mm on top and 12.7mm on the bottom for a total of 19.05mm.

I found the below resource that offers the regular charcoal foam in a variety of thicknesses, including 3/8".  I also noticed they have the white foam similar to that found in the 8" and 10" pads.  I guess the possibilities are endless!!!

http://www.foambymail.com/CR/solid-charcoal-regular-foam.html

Any comments before I decide to order?
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 05:48:38 PM by joefri187 »
DM10X

Offline exoow

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2013, 03:02:57 PM »
Ok guys, I'm going to convert my 12" pads too...

This is in the shop around the corner: http://flightcase-brico.be/index.php?productID=371
Speaker foam, but 12mm... Will need to ask if they can order 5mm.

They also have http://flightcase-brico.be/index.php?productID=169
But that's "hard" (as in, can withstand weights for a longer period) and I'm guessing too dense to transmit subtle hits.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2013, 04:36:28 PM by exoow »

Offline eratz

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2013, 09:55:32 AM »
Gerdy,

In efforts to try to track down the correct foam here in the US, I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact type of foam that you used from Adam Hall.

Was curious to know if you knew what the material was made from (polyester or polyurethane) and what was the PPI (Pores Per Inch)?

Thanks.
DM10X, Trigger I/O, Billy Blast II Ballistech Heads, Dampened Rack, Custom Tennis Ball Isolation Riser, Simmons DA200S,  Scarlett 2i2, Roland BT-1, Pintech Dingbats x2, DW 3000 Double Pedal, Extra Alesis Ride, Additional Alesis Crash cymbals, Roc-n-Soc Drum Throne.

"Hit 'em hard and hit 'em often

Offline soccerdude84

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2013, 10:15:04 AM »
Gerdy,

In efforts to try to track down the correct foam here in the US, I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact type of foam that you used from Adam Hall.

Was curious to know if you knew what the material was made from (polyester or polyurethane) and what was the PPI (Pores Per Inch)?

Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-Foam-for-Lining-Speaker-Grills-3-x-4-/281041975671?pt=US_Pro_Audio_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416f683977

this is what I used, as far as I know it's the same thing
Dual Alesis Module Drum Set (DM10+DM8+Trigger iO), Dual Layer Tennis Ball Drum Riser
Shure SE215, Simmons DA50, Alto Professional ZMX862, Tama SpeedCobra, Vic Firth 7AN, Roc-N-Soc Original

Offline eratz

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2013, 11:24:38 PM »
I correct my previous mistake, the 12" has 15mm black foam, the 10" has 20mm - although I need to double-check again...so that clears up my confusion. If the 10" does indeed have 20mm that would mean different foam requirements for different pad conversions....does anyone know the default grey foam depth in the 8"? (I only have 1 8" in the DM10x, the kick and I really don't want to open it up right now)

@trondster,  out of the box the 12" pad is way better than 10" for response and playability, also marginally quieter. It still needs the mesh head conversion though because of the mylar heads and there's only a thin layer of foamy rubber between the head and the metal sensor plate. I'm not sure if I just need to play around with the settings to get the 10" playing as good as the 12" but so far I am getting on better with the 12". So going on what I have found so far, if space is not the primary concern, then if I were you I'd get the 12" for snare. It would be worth getting some more opinions on the relative playability of 10" vs 12".

Why not simply add the 5mm foam directly above the plate, slightly increasing sensitivity and leave the factory foam alone?  Wouldn't it only affect the amount of tension needed - in this case a little "less"  than what Gerdy had on his conversion? 

Am I missing something?

Just asking.
DM10X, Trigger I/O, Billy Blast II Ballistech Heads, Dampened Rack, Custom Tennis Ball Isolation Riser, Simmons DA200S,  Scarlett 2i2, Roland BT-1, Pintech Dingbats x2, DW 3000 Double Pedal, Extra Alesis Ride, Additional Alesis Crash cymbals, Roc-n-Soc Drum Throne.

"Hit 'em hard and hit 'em often

Offline FaceTheMusic

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2013, 08:26:44 AM »
all this is getting confusing! i have ordered mesh heads from 682 drums, (been waiting almost 2 weeks!) in anticipation of the conversion i have boutght enough foam for the heads i have a dm10 X kit. i bought 3mm black foam from hobby lobby. now im thinking did i get the right thickness? and i might be wrong but when i opened up my 12 inch snare mine didn't look like any i've seen in the pictures and videos!  :o
aLESIS dm10 x - 682dRUMS MESH HEADS-

Greg

  • Guest
Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2013, 01:36:54 PM »
3mm funky foam will work. If you need to use more than 1 layer of it it will still work alright. Some of the foam arrangements and colors vary in these pads. Even the material of the shell varies but there should be different threads here with pictures to find what is similar to yours. It's nothing to get too concerned over. Just be careful to not break wires or throw away any foam pieces you may cut out. That way you can always go back to mylar heads if need be. If anything post some pics of your pad and foam disassembled and I'm sure someone can steer you in the right direction. The heads take awhile to arrive as they have to clear customs.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2013, 08:05:30 PM by Greg »

Offline eratz

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2013, 07:49:05 PM »
I did the mesh conversion the other night and mad a small discovery...

When using a CD to make your center hole in the foam, it is slightly smaller than the resonator plate which might cause some issues.  I ended up using the base of a blank CD holder (the one with the center spindle), which by nature, is larger than a CD and worked PERFECTLY!!!  Clears the resonator with just a little extra room.

Let me know what you think.



DM10X, Trigger I/O, Billy Blast II Ballistech Heads, Dampened Rack, Custom Tennis Ball Isolation Riser, Simmons DA200S,  Scarlett 2i2, Roland BT-1, Pintech Dingbats x2, DW 3000 Double Pedal, Extra Alesis Ride, Additional Alesis Crash cymbals, Roc-n-Soc Drum Throne.

"Hit 'em hard and hit 'em often

Offline exoow

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2013, 01:51:51 AM »
I just did this conversion, but more simplistic:

  • Added a 5mm Adam Hall layer on top of the trigger plate.
  • Left the original foam below the trigger plate as is.
I noticed that two 5mm layers are thinner than the original foam... So I didn't bother to replace it since it's got the right dimensions and sufficient thickness.
Also works great by the way.  :)

Offline erider81

Re: 12“ Mesh Head Conversion / only with foam / step by step / incl. videos
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2013, 11:28:49 AM »
i converted from the 682 drums cones (and heads) to this method and I wish i didnt waste my money on the cones. they do have a few things i liked about them, how the drum was more sensitive towards the center, but the loud thwak sound you got when you hit the middle was annoying me so i ordered from THI and I cant believe how quiet the heads are now.  I'd say going from mylar to cone method with mylar being a 10 on the noise scale, the cones were about a 6 and Gerdy's method made them around a 3, i did lose the bit of realistic sensitivity as you moved towards center, but I'll get used to it. Now if i can only get my hi-hat to work more like a real one i'll be 110% happy with my whole kit.
Thank you Gerdy!
Glen
DM10x with IO trigger. with some surges thrown in for fun.

Offline AeroblitzR

I have the Alesis DM8 pro kit, and i did this mesh conversion & for some strange reason i cant seem to get the rim trigger working the way it should, I have played with the internal settings inside the Alesis DM8 and have tweaked the sensitivity and cross talk settings but the rim keeps triggering the main head trigger, i have set both triggers to piezo not switch and have tried different stereo cables, but nothing is working! *frustrated Grunt*

PS i have searched thru a lot of threads and can only find comments on the problem with no one resolving the problem that me and other people are having with the rim sound/trigger with these pads, so if anyone can help i'd be very thankful

Offline Trondster

Try setting the sensitivity of the rim to zero and try again.
Dial in the correct sensitivity for the head.
Raise the rim sensitivity back up to normal levels.
You may have to raise the zone xtalk.
DM10 Pro kit with dampened rack, extra crashes, mesh heads, Gibraltar stands, P2002C and a dream cherry snare by Diamond Drums.

Offline Ten Eye

Just done the preparation of this conversion for my 3 12" drums on my DM10x kit. I got the exact same foam that is used, but mine doesn't seem to come over the top as much as this picture shows:

Would it be worth adding an extra piece of foam at the bottom or should i add a piece of funky foam(the same as the resonator plate)?

It doesn't seem to be THAT lower down, it probably is the same, but i just wanna be safe :P I'v not got the mesh heads yet so i'v not tested what its like the way its sitting at the moment. 

Greg

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1 more piece of funky foam on the bottom couldn't hurt and will raise it about 1/8".