Author Topic: New Roland kits\Module ?  (Read 9131 times)

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2016, 07:58:19 AM »
From Micheal Shack at vdrum forum

Hello everyone! We're getting ready for tonight's live stream here out of Brussels and all is going well. You'll see Craig Blundell, Jay Weinberg (Slipknot) and myself in action on a couple of TD-50KV setups. Together with the Roland Product Specialists from all over the world, Craig, myself and Roland Australia's Simon Ayton have been quite involved in the sound development for this one, consulting and actively assisting the team in Japan, with sounds, checking, testing, programming kits, etc. But all credit goes to the engineering team in Japan, who came up with a new kind of digital drumming experience, partly multifunctional internally (you can layer/combine all instrument sounds with each other) and partly open source (user sample import+ layering with the internals). As time will tell after this launch, there's going to be much more information being disclosed as this module will keep on evolving. And the best thing is : although you can import, layer and go completely beyond drum sound expectations without having to use a laptop or digital audio workstation, many of your wishes on that "long" shortlist of requests, including more routing possibilities, independent level control for the panel faders etc. is all there. Oh, and at least as important as the module : THE FIRST EVER DIGITAL USB CONNECTED PADS! Enjoy the live stream later today! Cheers to you all with a big TD-50 smile,
- Michael



Just tough, at Winter Namm 17 we could see his brother Td-40 smaller version..and possible others items..new SPD etc.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 09:02:55 AM by ChrisK »

Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2016, 03:20:18 PM »
Well, I just had a look over at Vdrums.com. It seems most are a little under whelmed. I did see the Roland TD-50 will have the ability to mix instruments…Interesting my DM10 has been able to do that since 2009 (minus my own samples). I guess Alesis was the trailblazer back then after all.  ;)

Again, this is why I hope Alesis includes the to instrument layers and Velocity editing functions, because with out the velocity editing functions layering two instruments is a waste.

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2016, 03:35:41 PM »
Well, I just had a look over at Vdrums.com. It seems most are a little under whelmed. I did see the Roland TD-50 will have the ability to mix instruments…Interesting my DM10 has been able to do that since 2009 (minus my own samples). I guess Alesis was the trailblazer back then after all.  ;)

Again, this is why I hope Alesis includes the to instrument layers and Velocity editing functions, because with out the velocity editing functions layering two instruments is a waste.

There was not enough demo for acoustic drum so far, but few I listening I like them, much better then TD-30, but about the importing sound, not sure how this is handle...
3 USB triggers for multi-zone digital pad. The new Ride you can mute the sound with the stick and fingers.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 04:30:13 PM by ChrisK »

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2016, 08:25:32 PM »
Well, I just had a look over at Vdrums.com. It seems most are a little under whelmed. I did see the Roland TD-50 will have the ability to mix instruments…Interesting my DM10 has been able to do that since 2009 (minus my own samples). I guess Alesis was the trailblazer back then after all.  ;)

Again, this is why I hope Alesis includes the to instrument layers and Velocity editing functions, because with out the velocity editing functions layering two instruments is a waste.

shame they didnt patent the idea and sue roland over it
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Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2016, 09:46:41 PM »
Well, I just had a look over at Vdrums.com. It seems most are a little under whelmed. I did see the Roland TD-50 will have the ability to mix instruments…Interesting my DM10 has been able to do that since 2009 (minus my own samples). I guess Alesis was the trailblazer back then after all.  ;)

Again, this is why I hope Alesis includes the to instrument layers and Velocity editing functions, because with out the velocity editing functions layering two instruments is a waste.

shame they didnt patent the idea and sue roland over it

You can't patents software features alone, you can patents hardware communicating with software. Ability to mix instrument was available long time before Alesis came in the drum market, with their Roland SPD series, either simultaneous, cross-fade, volume, velocity switch, etc but with TD module they have gone with multi-layers since TD6, td8, td10 instead of mixing instruments. they used 4 samples velocity switch each head and rims.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 10:07:53 PM by ChrisK »


Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2016, 10:17:06 PM »
You can't patents software features, you can patents hardware. Ability to mix instrument was available long time before Alesis came in the drum market, with their Roland SPD series, either simultaneous, cross-fade, volume, velocity switch, etc but with TD module they have gone with multi-layers since TD6, td8, td10 instead of mixing instruments. they used 4 samples velocity switch each head and rims.

And yet Roland waited until 2016 to put in a drum module what has been done with many drum modules (and machines) since the 1990's.

I think it is worth pointing out that most "features" that modern drum module might have, did start off in the late 1980's, but it wasn't until the early 2000's that those "features" were cost effective for the average drummer. If we are always going to descend down to a discussion of who made what first and there for it isn't true advancement, it is important to note that back when these "features" first showed up many couldn't afford them (or even knew about them).

Case in point, most modern features of drum modules came from the Simmons SDX back in 1987. The module was a heavily modified Macintosh computer and a basic set-up was $10,000.00 in 1987 dollars (That's over $20,000.00 in today's money). Most edrummers are not plucking down $20,000.00 for a drum kit today. What a company can give the users at a good price is advancement.
« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 10:18:56 PM by Hellfire »

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2016, 01:27:13 AM »
« Last Edit: September 12, 2016, 03:21:08 AM by ChrisK »

Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2016, 10:19:32 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNmJEPkNac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV2oa4MUbXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJOux0N6qs

Neat stuff, but it is still a bit pricey for most. Digital triggers…Basically they need power. Makes me wonder if they are FSR based like the onHead or inHead. FSR is the only tech that I'm aware of that allows that kind of precision in pressure & location. I would bet it's based on this for 2010:

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I remember finding this back in 2012 when I was trying to make a new trigger technology myself. I knew back then this had to be the direction for edrums if users want true acoustic emulation.

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2016, 01:18:24 PM »
I just read we can imports 2 wav for each zone, total 4 sample for triggers, and from the video explaned, you can  mixed\cross fade, set your starting point etc. with the internal sound, not like the TM2 simultaneous sound all the time.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 02:18:32 PM by ChrisK »

Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2016, 02:52:45 PM »
I just read we can imports 2 wav for each zone, total 4 sample for triggers, and from the video explaned, you can  mixed\cross fade, set your starting point etc. with the internal sound, not like the TM2 simultaneous sound all the time.

Isn' that basically how the Alesis SampleRack worked? Meaning the 2 wavs for each zone.

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2016, 03:21:16 PM »
I just read we can imports 2 wav for each zone, total 4 sample for triggers, and from the video explaned, you can  mixed\cross fade, set your starting point etc. with the internal sound, not like the TM2 simultaneous sound all the time.

Isn' that basically how the Alesis SampleRack worked? Meaning the 2 wavs for each zone.

yes, but limited to 2 sound each zone, overall not mixed with internal sound, Roland have already near 4 layers sound on each zone from each internal sound snare\toms\cymbal

Ps: Sample rack, The Hihat in total with the SD cards have  bow, edge, foot splash, chick, open, mid closed, 2 sample each.


Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2016, 03:45:43 PM »
Isn' that basically how the Alesis SampleRack worked? Meaning the 2 wavs for each zone.

yes, but limited to 2 sound each zone, overall not mixed with internal sound, Roland have already near 4 layers sound on each zone from each internal sound snare\toms\cymbal

Ps: Sample rack, The Hihat in total with the SD cards have  bow, edge, foot splash, chick, open, mid closed, 2 sample each.

You do realize that with a DM10 and a SampleRack I can achieve the same thing for a much cheaper price?

The SampleRack would have my 2 wav samples per zone and the DM10 can have the other two instruments. Using the midi ports of the SampleRack connected to my DM10 I can trigger the SampleRack at the same time I trigger my DM10. Using the audio outputs from the SampleRack into the Aux In of the DM10 I can mix the sounds of both modules together.

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2016, 03:57:20 PM »
Isn' that basically how the Alesis SampleRack worked? Meaning the 2 wavs for each zone.

yes, but limited to 2 sound each zone, overall not mixed with internal sound, Roland have already near 4 layers sound on each zone from each internal sound snare\toms\cymbal

Ps: Sample rack, The Hihat in total with the SD cards have  bow, edge, foot splash, chick, open, mid closed, 2 sample each.

You do realize that with a DM10 and a SampleRack I can achieve the same thing for a much cheaper price?

The SampleRack would have my 2 wav samples per zone and the DM10 can have the other two instruments. Using the midi ports of the SampleRack connected to my DM10 I can trigger the SampleRack at the same time I trigger my DM10. Using the audio outputs from the SampleRack into the Aux In of the DM10 I can mix the sounds of both modules together.


Yes but the sample rack don't have the trigger option for cross-talk, gain, threshold, mount 2 pad on a stand you could have issue with cross-talking, as Digital drumming review stated etc.. and the sample take time to load sample if you put good sample like 5 sec each, and all 8 triggers slots, with the Roland, the sound are imported in the module, no loading issue, and the latency is low, we cannot compare this as reliable version.
« Last Edit: September 10, 2016, 04:00:47 PM by ChrisK »

Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2016, 06:32:54 PM »
Yes but the sample rack don't have the trigger option for cross-talk, gain, threshold, mount 2 pad on a stand you could have issue with cross-talking, as Digital drumming review stated etc..

If you are triggering from the DM10, the trigger options on the SampleRack are irrelevant because in my method the SampleRack is nothing more than a sound bank that is triggered externally via the DM10. That's why I stated "...I can trigger the SampleRack at the same time I trigger my DM10."

...and the sample take time to load sample if you put good sample like 5 sec each, and all 8 triggers slots, with the Roland, the sound are imported in the module, no loading issue, and the latency is low,

True the loading would be faster with the Roland, but for $199.00 I can add a sample rack to my DM10, which is a heck of a lot cheaper than almost $3000.00. If you want to buy a new DM10 and SampleRack, that would only come to about $600.00.  My point is you can achieve a very similar resolute for a lot less money.

we cannot compare this as reliable version.

Yes we can. You would be surprised what one can do with midi and multiple midi devices. This is old school tricks that I've used since the 1990's and unfortunately far too many edrummer don't understand midi and how they can leverage its power. It's this kind of stuff that midi was made for.

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2016, 04:53:10 PM »
Yes but the sample rack don't have the trigger option for cross-talk, gain, threshold, mount 2 pad on a stand you could have issue with cross-talking, as Digital drumming review stated etc..

If you are triggering from the DM10, the trigger options on the SampleRack are irrelevant because in my method the SampleRack is nothing more than a sound bank that is triggered externally via the DM10. That's why I stated "...I can trigger the SampleRack at the same time I trigger my DM10."

...and the sample take time to load sample if you put good sample like 5 sec each, and all 8 triggers slots, with the Roland, the sound are imported in the module, no loading issue, and the latency is low,

True the loading would be faster with the Roland, but for $199.00 I can add a sample rack to my DM10, which is a heck of a lot cheaper than almost $3000.00. If you want to buy a new DM10 and SampleRack, that would only come to about $600.00.  My point is you can achieve a very similar resolute for a lot less money.

we cannot compare this as reliable version.

Yes we can. You would be surprised what one can do with midi and multiple midi devices. This is old school tricks that I've used since the 1990's and unfortunately far too many edrummer don't understand midi and how they can leverage its power. It's this kind of stuff that midi was made for.

Forget about the price, I use Td-15 and vst with computer, it's the best things you can have anyway....Just noticed the Kraft music demo are completely crap on the Low\mid DB they are thin, look like the audio was from room or camera, the only audio with direct audio is Roland web site, and another one.


There is interesting information from Micheal Shack at vdrum forum, did not know it was possible to get higher then 127 velocity..


Hello everyone,

I have been reading all these posts a bit. Lots of questions, opinions, and as expected some ranting as well.

1/ Audio
Of course audio on YouTube clips is not representative for what you'll hear in your headphones or speakers at the dealer as soon as TD-50 will land there. Just give the TD-50 benefit of the doubt before you go "final verdict". I'm already totally hooked and found it a bit difficult to go back to the TD-30 over this past weekend for some festival performances, and believe me, I'm quite a sound addict

2/ Sound
Please allow me to add two thoughts to Drew's info to Alan regarding sounds, which apparently was most welcome in clarifying some rumors.
Indeed, it's new sounds. There's not one of the new acoustic type sounds that have been "refurbished" from TD-20/20X nor the TD-30.
They were recorded in a couple of separate sessions :
- quite very intense "cymbal" sessions, also at one of the very best studios in London, for all the cymbal sounds. There's not one single internal TD-50 'acoustic' cymbal sound that has been "recycled" from older modules. There's also a full, and I must say a bit daring selection of all kinds of stacked cymbals, in order to invite and inspire future TD-50 owners to go totally wild with their cymbal choices and the internal layering feature.
- Simon Ayton from Roland Australia and Yusuke Tanakadate, the Japanese leading sound engineer for the TD-50 project, recorded all kinds of very special drumsets, including snares, toms, kicks and their natural recording room reactions. These drumsets include some very rare collector's items. I leave it to Roland Japan to disclose some photos and video footage from those recordings.

3/ Triggering
Think like 64-bit compared to 32-bit. It indeed includes HD MIDI, with a velocity reach going way beyond the maximum of 127. This is why the TD-50 is a re-design from the ground up, not an "evolution" of the TD-30.
Anyone who has a bit of experience in computer motherboard technology can guess what has happened :
- new sounds and new HD MIDI processing means one needs quite a powerful new processor architecture to be able to keep latency as low as with the TD-30.
- this also means that the complete motherboard, with the addition of a user sample utility including user sample memory and fluent data flow architecture while keeping down the latency and audio buffer problems to the audio converters, needed to be redesigned from the ground up. Also, a more powerful processor not only needs more power to work, but also needs to be situated and managed in such manner that TD-50 doesn't need fan cooling. You don't want noisy fan coolers on a silent room and stage drumset
- the increased internal data flow, also triggered by what's all new in the user interface/editing possibilities etc., needs to be silent as well. Just hook up an internet cable to an older laptop and listen to all the noise that comes out of the headphone or audio out when not using an external sound card.

4/ Kit set listing - kit transitions during (live) performances
This is how you can check on the real power of a drumming module with user sample import : how much time does the module need to load a new kit?
ATV : 2,5 seconds
Your Superior Drummer powered laptops, or Steven Slate Virtual Drums, Native Instruments Battery etc. etc. : all depends on your computer setup, the presence of internal SSD disks, the internal memory of your computer...
And this is why Roland TD-20/20X/30 and especially the TD-50 totally outpowers any brand/model of the competition : there's NO latency in changing from one kit to another, not even when using those user samples with TD-50 now. And that is also why I cannot play a Netsky, Milk Inc, SquarElectric or my solo SmashUp concerts with any other module than the TD-30 : after the intro with a first drumset, I need to be able to step on that footswitch and immediately change to the full 1stVerse/Chorus kit. At Drum'n Bass tempo, in the middle of playing a fill, at 175bpm, with the cymbals nicely ringing through that transition. Of course this is not the majority's daily use of the drumset, but it is a musical instrument that should be useable on today's and tomorrow's live performance stages as well. Otherwise, TD-50 wouldn't be a Pro flagship...

4/ Artist/demo music choices
I've never been a Roland employee, nor has Roland instructed me to play this or that during any music fair event nor video shoot.
My music choices for the Roland performances is totally independent as I see fit to demonstrate the power and possibilities of the drumset. Of course I do show many of the preset sounds during demos as well, and in many occasions base my own designed sets on them. So don't shoot at Roland regarding the music you heard during any of the live stream performances or any of the upcoming video footage for that matter.

I'm sure these thoughts won't clear out the many questions etc. you all still have, but I hope it at least clears out some of the rumors/guesses you guys have been discussing here.

One thing's for sure : your ears won't fool you and it's very difficult to discuss sound and music tastes. It's all good, as are your opinions. But true personal opinions based on the true technical facts are always the best!)

Cheers,

- Michael




Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2016, 05:27:32 PM »
There is interesting information from Micheal Shack at vdrum forum, did not know it was possible to get higher then 127 velocity..

A few Alternate mode products have more then 127 velocities. The Diti comes to mind. You might want to have a look at it.

There is interesting information from Micheal Shack at vdrum forum, did not know it was possible to get higher then 127 velocity..


Hello everyone,

I have been reading all these posts a bit. Lots of questions, opinions, and as expected some ranting as well.

1/ Audio
Of course audio on YouTube clips is not representative for what you'll hear in your headphones or speakers at the dealer as soon as TD-50 will land there. Just give the TD-50 benefit of the doubt before you go "final verdict". I'm already totally hooked and found it a bit difficult to go back to the TD-30 over this past weekend for some festival performances, and believe me, I'm quite a sound addict

2/ Sound
Please allow me to add two thoughts to Drew's info to Alan regarding sounds, which apparently was most welcome in clarifying some rumors.
Indeed, it's new sounds. There's not one of the new acoustic type sounds that have been "refurbished" from TD-20/20X nor the TD-30.
They were recorded in a couple of separate sessions :
- quite very intense "cymbal" sessions, also at one of the very best studios in London, for all the cymbal sounds. There's not one single internal TD-50 'acoustic' cymbal sound that has been "recycled" from older modules. There's also a full, and I must say a bit daring selection of all kinds of stacked cymbals, in order to invite and inspire future TD-50 owners to go totally wild with their cymbal choices and the internal layering feature.
- Simon Ayton from Roland Australia and Yusuke Tanakadate, the Japanese leading sound engineer for the TD-50 project, recorded all kinds of very special drumsets, including snares, toms, kicks and their natural recording room reactions. These drumsets include some very rare collector's items. I leave it to Roland Japan to disclose some photos and video footage from those recordings.

3/ Triggering
Think like 64-bit compared to 32-bit. It indeed includes HD MIDI, with a velocity reach going way beyond the maximum of 127. This is why the TD-50 is a re-design from the ground up, not an "evolution" of the TD-30.
Anyone who has a bit of experience in computer motherboard technology can guess what has happened :
- new sounds and new HD MIDI processing means one needs quite a powerful new processor architecture to be able to keep latency as low as with the TD-30.
- this also means that the complete motherboard, with the addition of a user sample utility including user sample memory and fluent data flow architecture while keeping down the latency and audio buffer problems to the audio converters, needed to be redesigned from the ground up. Also, a more powerful processor not only needs more power to work, but also needs to be situated and managed in such manner that TD-50 doesn't need fan cooling. You don't want noisy fan coolers on a silent room and stage drumset
- the increased internal data flow, also triggered by what's all new in the user interface/editing possibilities etc., needs to be silent as well. Just hook up an internet cable to an older laptop and listen to all the noise that comes out of the headphone or audio out when not using an external sound card.

4/ Kit set listing - kit transitions during (live) performances
This is how you can check on the real power of a drumming module with user sample import : how much time does the module need to load a new kit?
ATV : 2,5 seconds
Your Superior Drummer powered laptops, or Steven Slate Virtual Drums, Native Instruments Battery etc. etc. : all depends on your computer setup, the presence of internal SSD disks, the internal memory of your computer...
And this is why Roland TD-20/20X/30 and especially the TD-50 totally outpowers any brand/model of the competition : there's NO latency in changing from one kit to another, not even when using those user samples with TD-50 now. And that is also why I cannot play a Netsky, Milk Inc, SquarElectric or my solo SmashUp concerts with any other module than the TD-30 : after the intro with a first drumset, I need to be able to step on that footswitch and immediately change to the full 1stVerse/Chorus kit. At Drum'n Bass tempo, in the middle of playing a fill, at 175bpm, with the cymbals nicely ringing through that transition. Of course this is not the majority's daily use of the drumset, but it is a musical instrument that should be useable on today's and tomorrow's live performance stages as well. Otherwise, TD-50 wouldn't be a Pro flagship...

4/ Artist/demo music choices
I've never been a Roland employee, nor has Roland instructed me to play this or that during any music fair event nor video shoot.
My music choices for the Roland performances is totally independent as I see fit to demonstrate the power and possibilities of the drumset. Of course I do show many of the preset sounds during demos as well, and in many occasions base my own designed sets on them. So don't shoot at Roland regarding the music you heard during any of the live stream performances or any of the upcoming video footage for that matter.

I'm sure these thoughts won't clear out the many questions etc. you all still have, but I hope it at least clears out some of the rumors/guesses you guys have been discussing here.

One thing's for sure : your ears won't fool you and it's very difficult to discuss sound and music tastes. It's all good, as are your opinions. But true personal opinions based on the true technical facts are always the best!)

Cheers,

- Michael


Good info. Thanks for sharing.

Offline rhysT

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2016, 02:52:07 AM »
It's amusing to hear Michael Schack spruiking Roland's layering of 2 instrument sounds in the TD-50 as a "game-changer" in this video (at 14:00) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNmJEPkNac.
They've included a "transient designer" that apparently allows velocity control of combined sounds, so maybe DM10 users should feel lucky for being ahead of Roland innovation.
Mike's comment about NO latency when switching between kits has me wondering if there's been a possible leak of some limitations with the Strike module. It's not an issue with the Mimic Pro module and maybe we should thank Pearl/Slate (after their 'mic drop' demo at NAMM) for Roland releasing their TD-50 gear at this stage.
At least Alesis are more aware of any deficiencies in Strike module features compared to the TD-50 and they can decide if its lower price compensates for them. With the pending legal action, Alesis should at least consider releasing their module in the US.
It will be interesting to hear what improvements the V-Expressions team can make to the standard TD-50 kits.
Btw, I'd like to hear from Texas Tim Root as his Linkedin status page is a bit confusing about whether he's working for Alesis or Roland.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2016, 04:46:15 AM by rhysT »

Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2016, 08:07:29 AM »
It's amusing to hear Michael Schack spruiking Roland's layering of 2 instrument sounds in the TD-50 as a "game-changer" in this video (at 14:00) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmNmJEPkNac.
They've included a "transient designer" that apparently allows velocity control of combined sounds, so maybe DM10 users should feel lucky for being ahead of Roland innovation.

Right there with you. I stated this back on the 9th:

Well, I just had a look over at Vdrums.com. It seems most are a little under whelmed. I did see the Roland TD-50 will have the ability to mix instruments…Interesting my DM10 has been able to do that since 2009 (minus my own samples). I guess Alesis was the trailblazer back then after all.  ;)

Again, this is why I hope Alesis includes the to instrument layers and Velocity editing functions, because with out the velocity editing functions layering two instruments is a waste.


Mike's comment about NO latency when switching between kits has me wondering if there's been a possible leak of some limitations with the Strike module. It's not an issue with the Mimic Pro module and maybe we should thank Pearl/Slate (after their 'mic drop' demo at NAMM) for Roland releasing their TD-50 gear at this stage.

That's a big leap of faith. Or Roland could have been reading our forum and saw that a couple members kept pointing out that the Strike better not have the load issues of the SampleRack.  ;)

At least Alesis are more aware of any deficiencies in Strike module features compared to the TD-50 and they can decide if its lower price compensates for them. With the pending legal action, Alesis should at least consider releasing their module in the US.

I really doubt the legal action will stop a module. The legal action has to do with triggers not a module.


It will be interesting to hear what improvements the V-Expressions team can make to the standard TD-50 kits.

V-Expresssions makes every Roland module sound better. I remember when I started this site, I was wanting to do the same thing for the Alesis DM10, but the lack of individual kit saves put the squash on that really quick.

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2016, 03:44:15 PM »
Mike's comment about NO latency when switching between kits has me wondering if there's been a possible leak of some limitations with the Strike module. It's not an issue with the Mimic Pro module and maybe we should thank Pearl/Slate (after their 'mic drop' demo at NAMM) for Roland releasing their TD-50 gear at this stage.

The Micheal shack comment on the latency kit change, for him was important to switch kits during a song while the sound of the module don't cut  but with instead flash without hesitation of the sound, as far I am concern, the Pearl mimic pro is not instantaneous change there is a delay on the kraft demo kits change about 2.5 sec delay to change kits, go check the video 3:33 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSDJEMTiptw, and the sound will probably cuts together on switch.

I just heard now the release of Pear Mimic is not official that will be Q1, it was only estimation at start, there is lots of development to do and specifically on the hihat..

« Last Edit: September 13, 2016, 04:10:55 PM by ChrisK »

Offline rhysT

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2016, 01:55:42 AM »
To be fair to Roland and Pearl, both of their new modules have impressive features (like fast kit switching) that should satisfy most users. I guess a critical test will be which module has the most realistic hihat simulation and the TD-50 has set a good benchmark for the others to match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsSzjGBNvU&list=PLjE3lpIJr8X0lw8wUNrgKCRMOfxoKDANK&index=2
If the TD-50 performs the functions I want better than the similar Strike module, I'll seriously consider whether it's worth paying extra for it. At least Pearl and Alesis may have induced Roland to fast-track their future edrums strategy and bypass the ATV 'sideshow'.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2016, 02:56:31 AM by rhysT »

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2016, 02:44:00 AM »
To be fair to Roland and Pearl, both of their modules have impressive features (like fast kit switching) that should satisfy most users. I guess a critical test will be which module has the most realistic hihat simulation and the TD-50 has set a good benchmark for the others to match: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MsSzjGBNvU&list=PLjE3lpIJr8X0lw8wUNrgKCRMOfxoKDANK&index=2
If the TD-50 performs the functions I want better than the similar Strike module, I'll seriously consider whether it's worth paying extra for it. At least Pearl and Alesis may have induced Roland to fast-track their future edrums strategy and bypass the ATV 'sideshow'.

In my case I am waiting for 2017 for what others have to offer, Yamaha,  Rick (dev), Alesis and Pearl..

The things I have doubt with others are the triggering compare to Roland, Pearl still in development, they made few new video but are not sure they will make them public, video was made with Pearl hihat one single zone as stated from Sergey, we will not see yet the full potential about it, they are not sure to release video with unfinished module,  there is too much variable for me to take any decision, too much option are waiting for newest Module..I wil buy the module that will have the most potential for the price, importing sample is major key for me as well..

One things to share, there is 50 preset kits on the Td-50 module up  to 100 users kits + sd cards location, some sound kits are Jarrah, beech, walnut, bubinga, maple, stainless steel (full kit including toms) Bonham kit. The sounds were recorded using dozens of mics in the London one of the best studios of the world at 192khz 24 bit.


-You can tune the bottom head on all the drums using pitch sweep which bends the sustain up or down just like occurs on an acoustic drum when the bottom head is higher or lower tension. You can also do this on any of the other sounds eg: bending a going up or down.

-Load samples via sdcard and play 4 track audio directly off sdcard (click and backing etc)

From Simon Ayton:
The digital triggers are touch sensitive not only velocity sensitive and there's almost no noticeable off point even with the lightest touch.. There's interval and positional sensing and much greater dynamic range in the sound engine than any electronic product before it hence the reason it includes a new HD Midi engine. The sounds were recorded at 192khz 24 bit

-Micheal Shack confirmed, there will be future update; New Sound, New Feature. We might see more layers capability for imported wav sound, increasing sampling memory etc...or whatever new feature added. Would be interesting to see if it's hardware updates or USB, I guess the manual will told us. 
« Last Edit: September 15, 2016, 04:33:36 PM by ChrisK »

Offline rhysT

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2016, 01:48:06 AM »
The new Roland KD-A22 Kick Drum Converter doesn't interest me as I'd prefer to get two KT-9 or KT-10 kick trigger pedals instead, to allow separately tuned double bass drum sounds and quiet practice, for just a bit extra cost.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/roland_kd_a22_kick_drum_converter.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/roland_kt_9_kick_trigger_pedal.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/roland_kt_10_kick_trigger_pedal.htm
« Last Edit: September 15, 2016, 08:21:40 AM by rhysT »

Offline ChrisK

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2016, 02:09:23 AM »
The new Roland KD-A22 Kick Drum Converter doesn't interest me as I'd prefer to get two KT-9 or KT-10 kick trigger pedals instead for more variation of kick sounds at a bit extra cost.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/roland_kd_a22_kick_drum_converter.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/roland_kt_9_kick_trigger_pedal.htm
https://www.thomann.de/gb/roland_kt_10_kick_trigger_pedal.htm

Kick converter is nice for live purpose, I already done all my pad with acoustic shell cut in half with Roland Cymbal and my Td-15 module, I would only need a new module, not interested to buy any others cymbal or snare..I just plan to get a larger snare, but I will build it.

Offline Hellfire

Re: New Roland kits\Module ?
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2016, 07:47:59 AM »
The new Roland KD-A22 Kick Drum Converter doesn't interest me...

FYI, it would be cheaper to get the Pearl ePro live bass drum trigger.